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ME3 gives 2.5% waste currently (1 / (1 + 3) = 0.25). Which results in a "New ME" 8 blueprint. See https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AdDnVTuqXiEqcZF7nb0JXt_dXRYE6lMaJ6Fcnp1qLQU/edit#gid=0

You would get a 5 ME BPO.

The main issue is with going from 9 to 10. Someone who's BPO is currently 9 will suddenly become far less valuable than someone who has it at 10. And someone who has their BPO at ME 50 to get the current perfect for example, would now be only equivalent to a 10 ME BPO which took 5 times less time to research. Which as many have pointed out is massively penalising those who spent a long time getting their BPOs to perfect.

Ok that is very great to hear. I myself would be very much in favour of this.

Been asked an answered several times

They are going to look at it, nothing specific announced yet though

Is it correct that the copy time from an Module BPO like the PDU from 1 minute per run rised to 7-8 minutes per run?

So thats an max run copy take around 35 Hours ?

That looks like a little bit horribly for an inventen's

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I have no specific concerns or commentary on the contents of this devblog, as it's generally well thought-out, informative and understandable. However, I would like to draw attention to one specific thing:


This is basically the most promising thing I've seen from CCP this year. This is the kind of attitude that makes me happy to be a part of this game.

Thanks, Greyscale.

... Threyscale.

Umm Should you not KNOW that

But yes if doing a single production Run or a single ME?PE run is more than 30 days, the system allows it to continue.

It only if there are multiple runs that exceed 30 days that it is denied by the system

part two of foreseen issues related to the 28 April dev blog post about revisions to researching BPs:


the proposed translation scheme unfairly removes the advantage that many players [myself included, but less than many others] have spent thousands of hours, or hundreds of millions of isk, acquiring -- and without compensation.

When all BPs with [old] ME level 10 or higher are arbitrarily translated into new ME 10% BPs, the entire amount of training invested beyond [old] ME 10 will evaporate.


This penalizes players and corporations that have invested what may be billions of isk in their BP portfolios. It will also remove their incremental cost advantage in producing the end product, and thus the value of the BP copies that some of them make and sell in the contracts market as their source of income in EVE.

{Aside: since "everyone" knows of the upcoming changes, there is no ability to sell the soon to be over researched BPs for anything like their prior value and thus escape the penalty.}

[Disclosure: some of my alts have focused their entire existence for the past several years in exactly this activity. I've paid ccp for the right to struggle toward this advantage in production.]


I suggest that a fairer translation scheme would be to calculate from the [old] ME/PE level of a BP the total time invested in training and set the replacement BP to the percent level that this would make under the new scheme.

Example: a T1 cruiser BP {difficulty level 40} at ME 60 would have been trained for 240,000 minutes {14.4 million seconds] or 2400 training points which falls between [new] ME 4% and ME 5%.


YES, this would nerf the owner's production quality from its previous level -- so what!

It preserves the relative advantage the owner/investor in these BPs has over those owner/investors who never researched their BPs beyond level ten.


ccp has nerfed production of many items ingame before [most T1 ships, for example, in the various changes in the past two years].

If the EVE economy needs to be re-balanced to account for this increase in average production cost, the material requirement of all BPs could be reduced to compensate [preserving the relative advantage] by N% {I haven't the global EVE data required to calculate this N figure.}


With this adjustment, the billions that some production corporations have invested in their BP portfolios will not have gone for naught -- they'll still have an advantage and their BP copies will still command premium prices in the contracts market.

And, the long run price of ships, etc. will not be pushed down by a flood of "near perfect" BPs trained up in the next few months to [old] ME/PE 10.



older than dirt. older than EVE, too.

Greyscale: I point out that having the training job run for excessive lengths of time [148k training units from level nine to ten] is so long for some BPs that virtually no BPs bought after the change will ever be trained to ME 10%. Example, that training time for a T1 cruiser would exceed 68 days and for a battleship would exceed 135 days. At some point [capital BPs??] the training length required to reach ME 10% is so long that virtually no new BPs will be researched to that level, thus cementing the cost advantage of those already at that level when the proposed change occurs.

It is already too late to buy and train any BPO with new difficulty level beyond that of a battleship to [old] ME 10 before the potential patch date. [T1 battleship would require 55.6 days]. Thus, the advantage of everyone who already owns a capital BPO and has at least ME 10 by "summer" is now virtually permanent.


The workaround for this is to adapt the skill point training scheme to BP research. Keep the records in very small units but only allow translation to production [of items or copies] at the ME percent level the cumulative underlying time indicates,

AND allow research times to be added in less than full percent level increments.


Thus, that hypothetical Titan BPO could be reasonably researched to ME 3% in a few months, and then researched piecemeal [in multiple separate smaller than 30 day steps] to ME 4% or higher off and on over the next months. A copy made in between the small steps would have ME 3% until the cumulative training time required for higher ME % is reached.





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older than dirt. older than EVE, too.