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Scamming reaches a new low.

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Quinc4623
Space Explorers Federation
#61 - 2011-12-02 08:15:56 UTC
It's a known factor that people get attached to their MMOs. They make a horrible rug to stand upon, but it helps if no one pulls that out from under you in your time of need. But as noted this is probably more to do with the betrayal.

I mean seriously, why do only people you've met face to face count? If you could take your RL friend's stuff in such a way s/he could never prove it to the prolice, or otherwise get back at you (besides stop being friends of course), would you do that? Apparently the answer is different for an online-only friend. Apparently empathy is an irrational response to looking at a human face. This also explains why people care about actors so much after watching TV all day.

No he didn't do anything stupid. It is quite possible to get into an accident, or hospitalized, or whatever such that you will be pulled away from the game for a long time with no chance to prepare. Accident are like that. Also, most people assume you can possibly get to the point of actually trusting a person, or group of people at some point. Thus he did the did the smart thing of focusing on his real life situation for a good while.

Meanwhile his corp buddies either decided they needed the Super-Capital sooner rather than later, or they got pissed that somebody would dump them to deal with real life, or as the OP suggests, they just did it for *****, giggles, and a good deal of profit.

Of course all this "Well of course they scammed him!" nonsense raises the question: If the average corp has such a high chance of stealing all your stuff, then when is it ever EVER a good idea to join any corporation ever? At least in the case of a POS based corp (which you need to build super capitals if I recall) you MUST trust them with your stuff, at least all the stuff you want to make use of while operating from a POS. Also I know of plenty of people who I can trust with my stuff at any time, anywhere. I'd name them though you might try to scam them somehow.

Yes, I believe this story. If they were asking for money it might be a scam, but lo! they aren't asking for money...just a heavily implied request for revenge. This **** happens all the time in the real world people. Yes stirring up sympathy for whoever this guy is requires noticeable emotional discomfort, but that doesn't somehow justify a knee-jerk "FAKE!!"

No, the guy shouldn't get so emotionally invested in the game, but people shouldn't be constantly betraying their online friends either.
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Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#62 - 2011-12-02 08:26:49 UTC
Quinc4623 wrote:
Yes, I believe this story. If they were asking for money it might be a scam, but lo! they aren't asking for money...just a heavily implied request for revenge. This **** happens all the time in the real world people. Yes stirring up sympathy for whoever this guy is requires noticeable emotional discomfort, but that doesn't somehow justify a knee-jerk "FAKE!!"

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#63 - 2011-12-02 08:30:33 UTC
I have to admit i was unsure weather or not to reply to this thread,both because it is very possible its just a troll,and because i know that this is the Eve forums and i will most likely get flamed Blink

If its not a troll,it is sad to hear that this happend. Weather or not its wrong is something that depends so much on what kind of person you ask. Would i do something like this? Heck no but then again i have refused to even take a t1 mod out of the corp hangar for years due to being blamed for a corp theft once (i was proven innocent and the guy who did steal it returned it all Smile ).

Does it suprise me to hear something like this happening in Eve? No.

Some years back we had a corp member who had cancer. He was on a lot of pain meds,and had trouble reading chats (if you where on voice with him you couldent shut the guy up tho lol). We,the corp members, where all aware of his situation and we did our best to ensure that both him and his wife felt included and safe in the corp.

But others we where involved with dident think the same way. Several alliances gave us the ultimatum that we where not allowed to join unless we removed him from the corp since they did not want "dead weight",others,who first found out of his condition later,made attempts at suecide ganking them while mining because they tought it was a spy due to the fact that they did not get a reply in alliance chat. Trust me there was a lot of drama that followed this just to convinse the alliance to let them stay in the corp. But im sure your wondering whats the point with this?

The corp member in question was in a very bad state,and he could not leave the house,and he was ashamed to let real life friends even see him. Because of this Eve and the corp members was his only real friends exept his wife. She once told me that we made the last few years of his life a lot easier,and better,because he could trust us,and he felt that he actually had friends that he could talk to. We helped him forget the fact that he had cancer.

Im guessing something similar happend in this case...I cant imagion how a betrayal like that must feel when your in such a bad emotional state to begin with. But i still cant say that i jump up and down in rage over the people who did it. It is a game,and this kind of stuff happens a lot. You even have people who will go to threads where someone is making an announcment where someone died and say something like "their biggest wish was to get a titan. Show your respect and donate to the cause. Isk can be sendt to this character". You shake your head over it and think how low it is,but you soon forget about it.

Online games allows people to be what they CANT be in real life,for some people that is assholes,or bullies or whatever you want to call it. Some get it out by scamming noobs,some do it by blowing people up,some do it by abusing another players bad real life situation.

I am sorry it happend,and i do hope he will be ok. And if he wishes to come back to Eve i hope he remembers that even if there are assholes in Eve,there are also good people. But no matter how nice someone seems,remember that they are still just people in an online game. Its very very rare you will find someone who you can trust as much as you would a real life friend. If you dont keep this in mind,the harsh world of Eve will mentally crush you as you get betrayed over and over again.

Regards,
NightCrawler
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#64 - 2011-12-02 08:32:20 UTC
Baden Luskan wrote:
Reading stuff like this baffles me. The internet truely shows the dark side of a human being when there is no true accountability for their actions. This is also evident in some of the posts that follow. Taking the OP at face value (I see no reason why they would make this up), this person had in-real-life problems. EVERYONE in this game has had problems at some time or another in thier lives, just most of us not of this magnitude.

What is sickening is the prevailing attitude of "point and laugh" in this game. Its like watching the social behaviors of high school teenagers, but on a world level. So little empathy is displayed here, its quite disheartening. If this stranger was your friend or a loved one, I am sure you would not exibit this kind of behavior, and would be disgusted if someone else did. That being said, have some respect for others. This is a game, but just like any other arena of competition, there is a level of respect everyone that steps into it deserves.

To the OP: I am sorry your friend has had to endure this treatment. Its never easy to deal with the realization that someone you have trusted has betrayed you. Hopefully your friend can get himself collected emotionally and place things in the proper perspective so to allow him to come back to Eve and find a place where he can enjoy his free time. Hopefully karma will come back to bite those that wronged this individual like it often does in real life.


I was going to write something in response, but Baden Luskan summed it up perfectly.
Karma is reality and does its thing in its own time, but it happens, of that one can be sure.
Being addicted to a prescription drug for the relief of incessant pain is nothing to joke about either. It's so easy for people here to say it's his own fault, to get his life together, to look after his wife and child. How glib, how souless.

To the affected Mother and family - good luck and God bless.

Peace out.
o/
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#65 - 2011-12-02 08:58:41 UTC
I'm honestly not sure if this is a troll or not, but I have asked the corp directors in LVSKY about what happened.
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#66 - 2011-12-02 09:01:39 UTC
tl:dr version

OP got scammed of all his assets. OP makes up some sob story about his 'friend'. OP continues to cry on forums. The end.

C.
Shinshi Casoyako
Paradox Manifold
#67 - 2011-12-02 09:12:42 UTC
I fail to grasp the point of the original thread and this thread.

Man does drugs
Man goes into rehab
Eve is Eve
Man returns to Eve
Man does drugs
Man overdoses
Man ends up in Hospital
Woman cries on the forums
Man survives
Eve comminity goes all sympathetic

The fail in this is that the man did drugs, the woman doesnt understand eve and eve community didnt said up a relief fund for this man.

Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2011-12-02 09:20:09 UTC
Where's the "scam" in all this drama?

Idiot shares password, gets his sh*t stolen. Working as intended, EvE is alive.

idgi
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#69 - 2011-12-02 09:21:09 UTC
Ok, so you saw a random post and decided to call out someone who has scammed you in the past but has nothing to do with the dude you're refering to RollRoll

Proof or GTFO. Using someone else's thread to call out a person you don't like that had nothing to do with anything related to it (while hiding behind an alt) is very pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#70 - 2011-12-02 09:54:42 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Not really sure why you consider this a new low in scamming TBH, seems like a garden variety, everyday scam to me. What?


This^

Now before you all start a rage filled hate on me, firstly we don't even know if the people in EVE were aware of what was going on, all they might have seen was someone go inactive, in which case its a free for all sad to say as they have no idea if he is ever going to come back and play and why waste resources?

As bad as we feel for the person in the OP there isn't a lot we can do, this is a game and the machanics of the game allow for these actions its a harsh place to live.

While we wish the best for the person in the OP i think he needs to realise that this is just a game and these things will happen again no doubt
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sHaKeDoWn..
#71 - 2011-12-02 10:01:19 UTC
LOL
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#72 - 2011-12-02 10:09:17 UTC
Explain the scam please?
Molly Molotov
Doomheim
#73 - 2011-12-02 10:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Molly Molotov
It is very plausible that a wife and a friend would go through all this trouble to avenge a junkie husband on an obscure online video game and name members of the Tactical Narcotics Team as some sort of culprit.

It is not at all plausible that these ^ creative geniuses would make up a story involving drug abuse.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#74 - 2011-12-02 11:10:39 UTC
If this is ral, I am deeply sorry.

Yes Eve is a game, and you people are right about telling so over and over. That a human can get involved emotionally is nothing new, but so many players leave their empathy at the login screen. Don't blame people to put big effort into a game and then really crying about losses, it's all quality life time spent in the intended way of a player. Sometimes it gets out of hand, so I wonder how many are laughing madly at this loss and enjoy real life tears. Sorry, but I really don't understand.

Trust in Eve comes slowly, if at all. You can be lucky and meet the right people and so you can end up with the wrong ones.

This game is too much driven by tears and greed. Like a mob chasing a witch, it grows and grows, more torches, more hay forks.

I never forget this, kind of lead me to play with only a few people, especially real life friends if possible.

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Derus Grobb
Shifting Suns Industries
DammFam
#75 - 2011-12-02 11:36:40 UTC
This belongs in OOPE.

Even if this is real, what does it have to do with Eve? So the guy had a bad day, it doesn't make any difference whether that was Eve or work or family.
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#76 - 2011-12-02 11:45:25 UTC
Baden Luskan wrote:

What is sickening is the prevailing attitude of "point and laugh" in this game. Its like watching the social behaviors of high school teenagers, but on a world level. So little empathy is displayed here, its quite disheartening.


Agreed, but i would rather have these sociopaths acting through the veil of a virtual world than acting directly in the real world.

Without the darkness its hard to see the light.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2011-12-02 11:51:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
Ten Bulls wrote:
Baden Luskan wrote:

What is sickening is the prevailing attitude of "point and laugh" in this game. Its like watching the social behaviors of high school teenagers, but on a world level. So little empathy is displayed here, its quite disheartening.


Agreed, but i would rather have these sociopaths acting through the veil of a virtual world than acting directly in the real world.

Without the darkness its hard to see the light.



Don't bring RL relations to a video game. Cause to be honest, in RL I'd be wanting to remove the things which could potentially be abused by a drug user or do harm away from them.


This guy's CEO/Corp/e-friends did this drug user and emotionally unstable guy who was about to have a child a FAVOR. He needs to be away from the computer and not trying to off him self with pain meds over a video game.

He needs to be seeking help and trying to stabilize himself to become a father to his child.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#78 - 2011-12-02 11:56:23 UTC
This smells like total BS to me.

Someone got his stuff stolen by corp. so he makes up a huge sob story about it.


If, by some slim chance, and I mean SLIM, chance its real...... The wife is posting on his account. Thats account sharing, BANHAMMER!

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#79 - 2011-12-02 11:57:28 UTC
I got hit by a but when i was crossing over a street without looking and caring for my future health..

See what i did there? same story... i dont care,... u must be american...

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Nalia White
Tencus
#80 - 2011-12-02 12:27:52 UTC
that's what happens when you can't be touched in real life and the rules of a game are harsh... the worst in mankind will show up. empathic people wouldn't even do bad stuff to people in a game without a personal gain... tear collecting, it makes me puke really... if you take it from them with a fight that's all fine and deserved but stuff like this makes me consider quitting eve.... to many sociopaths ingame and they would be the people who would slice and dice their way through real people if there were no consequences in real life for doing so... the desire to bring misery to people is a deep root which is only stopped through the fear of proscecution. take that away and the murder will begin...

if this story is true and the members did indeed know that this person was in rehab because of big rl problems i hope they will be on the receiving end of "harshness" in the real world... i hope karma exists...

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