Science & Industry

That just brings us back to my point: I am not going to keep a guy in my corp that doesn't have this feeling of comraderie. If our corp's POCO is attacked, and there are 4-5 pilots in system that say "ah, screw it, I am not risking my ship" then they get the boot.

hey yall I just wanted to say this sort of thing is pretty cool, new corps/alliances or partnerships between industrialists and pirates because of POCOs. It's the exactly correct, profit-making response for lowsec gameplay with respect to the change in PI taxes.

Make friends, own your turf.

Update!

After some VERY serious discussions, like, discussing which Beiber haircut you like best serious, plans have begun to make real this whole PI Alliance idea.

Here are some basics, and if you are interested in taking part, please drop me a line as I know I have spoken with some of you, but not all of you (I got a lot of messages).

*Alliance based in a wormhole. C3 w/low-sec or high-sec static

*Planets split evenly among the corps involved.

*Nominal tax rate <5% to help pay for POS fuel costs and CEO's all-you-can-eat nacho cheese fountain station (6 kinds of cheese!)

*Other rules such as POCO defense, rights to anomalies, what do to if someone goes rogue, etc. still are being hashed out.

*With only 1 system, corp size is a factor so there MAY be limitations as not to over-mine.

I'm talking at the alliance level here, rather than corp level (suppose I wasn't clear enough in that regard).

Sure, there *might* be more of a pull to defend a PCO (hey, I might have stuff in it) ... but if it's not my corp's, and I don't have anything on that planet ... the question becomes "ok, this is the third time this week that Bruno_Corp has been getting their PCOs shot at... and I had planned on doing stuff with Vel_Corp tonight..."

Let's say I'm not a CEO/director of Vel_Corp ... so yeah, you could ask my CEO/directors kick me from the corp because I didn't want to deal with your third PCO getting RF'd this week ... but if I'm useful to them, they might be opposed to it. You could threaten kicking the corp from the alliance (which would probably be "bad" overall)

That's where the "I'm a pilot of Vel_Corp ... why should I waste time/effort to defend Bruno_Corp's stuff that I don't get benefit from?" trouble can occur, and the bonds of camaraderie to the alliance will matter. Obviously, the directors (and/or CEO) of the corp I'm in will have some choice words for me if I start slipping too much ...

I think it's odd that you're doing this in a WH, rather than in Lowsec (or Null):

1) PI in Wormholes, while you get the benefit of fairly large systems with good resources, is limited to one system. Unless you can get good at holding multiple WH systems while splitting your main alliance, it seems counter-intuitive to me. Just make a generic WH Alliance, and go to town doing "Wormhole stuff", rather than basing it around a "POCO Slumlord" model.

2) Taking over systems in Known Space allows you the ability to expand as your alliance grows. IF the model is "take advantage of POCO tax rates and be the slum lords of EVE", then real estate is your key asset. Take over system 1. Jump to the next system. Rinse/Repeat. This would allow you to manage the growth/expansion of your Alliance/POCO infrastructure with your ability to defend it, and I imagine you would see growth in returns. Make money off of the aggregate, rather than in large chunks all at once.

3) Logistics into and out of WH (human resources, equipment, supplies) is a tough undertaking. Finding a lowsec static might make this much easier, but it can still be rough. Get podded in a WH, and you may have lost your system. Get podded in Lowsec, and you can fly right back and pick up where you left off (usually to get podded again). Retaking a lowsec is MUCH easier than trying to retake a WH system.

As stated above: WH space doesn't really allow you to expand. Statics change daily. Or More often. Don't get me wrong: jumping into a WH is a *great* idea for an alliance, but I feel that it's deviating from the original intent of your original proposal. Not that it's wrong: ideas change and evolve and maybe a lowsec POCO slumlord isn't the best for you.

Anyway: the idea is more charming to me as a lowsec alliance trying to take over real estate and entice people into fights. I'm not trying to dissuade you from WH space at all: please come on in. However, for a strictly POCO-based alliance, it might not be the best idea. If it was me putting it together, I might try something like the following:

1) Lowsec POCO alliance. Longterm goal: cover the universe in our POCOs. Lots of POCOs. Low Taxes.
2) Recruit at least 1 FW corp. Perhaps base the POCOs around FW systems.
3) Recruit at least 1 Pirate corp.
4) Start with 1 system. Your goal is to take it over and keep it. Expand from there.
5) Keep tax rates for everyone (even reds) <15%. I might go under 10%. It's critical people would rather use your POCOs than Interbus ones. You want to strike a balance in tax rates where it's more cost effective for tenants to put up with the taxes than try and blow up a POCO and replace it with their own.
6) ???
7) Profit!

All of that said, I've never tried to put together an alliance, much less attempt one with an idea like this. To be fair: I'm not sure anybody has done it (yet). SO...who knows? I think that makes it interesting. You may loose billions of ISK, but at least you'll have done something - and that's what the game is about.

Bruno, mail headed your way...

I'm thinking of something like the idea of you. It May be an option
complementary.

Look at the forum That you posted.

[url = https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476188 & # post476188] My forum post [/ url]

[quote]

Hi
I live in Wh with the static to high sec. I would like the opinion of you
about how much to charge for permission to use the system's planets.

I was thinking about 30 million per month + 5% rate per character.
Only access to the planets.

Contract will be Delivered via the BMs of the input and output
system via the contract at the station nearest the entrance.

Anchor POS, PVE and mining Can be traded separately.

What do you think?

[/ quote]

Yeah...because after I spent those two months or so with my P.I. skills I just stopped training anything else. PI is a side gig to bring in a little isk every few days.

Great idea, not sure about using WH space, but I do hope that it does come together.

I understand what was implied about PI players, but it's a rep that needs to be broken for a PI alliance to succeed. Otherwise people would think they could just come by and pop a POCO without fear.

Well the only way to see if industrialists are any good at combat is to start shooting at them..... which is what i was planning on doing anyway.