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Valkarth Tlakotani
Confederation Navy
#1 - 2014-04-28 09:56:54 UTC
Currently there is a small war on in Jita. What would you do if it were Amarr?
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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2014-04-28 10:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Move to Dodixie (or Jita if this is a 'Amarr gets attacked instead of Jita' scenario) or wait until it fizzles out.

This is an annual occurrence, and although I personally do not approve of the wholesale destruction, the positive effects of the market cannot be argued. Waiting a few days to two weeks is a little discomfort in return for some rather large gains if you're in the production market or skilled at speculation.

If it were to happen in Amarr, as it is a capsuleer on capsuleer interdiction of freighters and other ships of interest, I doubt that the local government would care too much. Indeed, such activity is an indicator of the success of Jita as a trade hub, as it is chosen for its exceptionally large capsuleer population, some of whom have questionable senses of self preservation (the freighter pilots in this case, the catalysts are very much aware they will die).

With all of the burden on capsuleers and CONCORD, the local government can probably sit back and enjoy the increased brokerage and tax fees that come with higher market prices. Those capsuleers with any connection to social media or reality will already have planned around the interdiction.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#3 - 2014-04-28 12:07:51 UTC
Valkarth Tlakotani wrote:
What would you do if it were Amarr?

Probably grab my Naga and head straight there.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-04-28 12:20:02 UTC
Laugh, perhaps?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#5 - 2014-04-28 12:24:46 UTC
As much as I despise the Empire, I don't really wish to see any more of the "burn Jita" sort of psychosis elsewhere. I'd probably be as disappointed in my fellow capsuleers as I am over Burn Jita.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-04-28 13:41:11 UTC
This thing doesn't affect economy of the State, and wouldn't affect economy of the Amarr, since it just a simple terror tactic targeted only against capsuleers, and only weakest and scaredy of capsuleers will be affected by it.

But this...
Aelisha wrote:
Move to Dodixie

Is straightforward treason.

Trading in the Federation space, means helping the Federation. Helping the Federation means helping enemy of the State. Helping enemy of the State means working against the State. Working against the State means being enemy of the State.

And if you are enemy of the State, you will be destroyed.

And have a nice jam.

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Wendrika
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-04-28 14:36:28 UTC
The terrorists behind Burn Jita were kind enough to warn everyone publicly before hand though. Which is cool, since not that many terrorists are so courteous.

Maybe we can create a new trade hub! I heard Lonetrek is nice this time of the year.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2014-04-28 14:39:29 UTC
Wendrika wrote:
The terrorists behind Burn Jita were kind enough to warn everyone publicly before hand though. Which is cool, since not that many terrorists are so courteous.

Maybe we can create a new trade hub! I heard Lonetrek is nice this time of the year.


Torrinos is a micro-hub due to its strategic status as a high security border to a null region. It's a bit out of the way for conventional trade, though. There are a number of minor hubs bordering the war zone in Blackrise and Lonetrek, but their names elude me at this time.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-04-28 15:15:07 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
There are a number of minor hubs bordering the war zone in Blackrise and Lonetrek, but their names elude me at this time.

Villore, Stacmon, Nourvukaiken and Ichoriya are the second-tier trade hubs relevant to the Gallente-Caldari contested zone.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2014-04-28 15:44:37 UTC
Thank you, Andreus. It has been some time since I was operational in that neck of the woods, so I was intending to lean on one of my colleagues for information in this regard. I'll let Jurou know I won't be needing his help after all, thanks to your timely response.

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Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-04-28 17:09:29 UTC
Valkarth Tlakotani wrote:
Currently there is a small war on in Jita. What would you do if it were Amarr?
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I suspect like most capsuleers I would completely ignore it.


'Burn Jita' on the other hand inconveniences the largest number of pilots and provides a parade of juicy targets for those capsuleers bent on destruction. It's quite a field day for Concord too...

What I can't fathom is given how public the event is and advertised in advance why folks insist on taking their chances in the system... particularly when there are so many alternate places to engage in commerce. A friend of mine in Red Frog Freight told me that a Freighter was destroyed in the space of a second when it came under fire by thirty catalysts. A billion isk ship driven by a billion isk clone with a billion isk cargo gone in the space of a second!

I like shopping for a deal as much as the next person but there is indeed such a thing as a good time and a bad time to 'hit the mall' on a trade hub.

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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#12 - 2014-04-28 17:34:58 UTC
There are a number of smaller trade areas, such as Hek and the Gelfiven/Teonusude area, that I go to when the major trade hubs are too far away or volatile.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

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Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2014-04-28 17:40:31 UTC
Valkarth Tlakotani wrote:
Currently there is a small war on in Jita. What would you do if it were Amarr?
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It would be rather inconvenient for those intending on making a shopping run to Amarr at that time, but as with the "burn Jita" event, one can simply wait it out, or prepare for the event to sell in the aftermath.

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Ber Kan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-04-28 23:15:32 UTC
Smart bombing prophecy.

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Kei Sparrowhawk
True Ethics
#15 - 2014-04-28 23:39:11 UTC
This is slightly off topic, but this war on Jita is just another example of how violent capsuleers are. Once again we see groups of capsuleers blowing things up for no good reason, killing thousands of crew members in the process. Killing is murder, if not done for a valid reason, like defending yourself or while serving Nation.

Once again we see CONCORD allowing widespread murder.
Ber Kan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-04-29 00:29:54 UTC
Kei Sparrowhawk wrote:
This is slightly off topic, but this war on Jita is just another example of how violent capsuleers are. Once again we see groups of capsuleers blowing things up for no good reason, killing thousands of crew members in the process. Killing is murder, if not done for a valid reason, like defending yourself or while serving Nation.

Once again we see CONCORD allowing widespread murder.



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Valkarth Tlakotani
Confederation Navy
#17 - 2014-04-29 03:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkarth Tlakotani
Kei Sparrowhawk wrote:
This is slightly off topic, but this war on Jita is just another example of how violent capsuleers are. Once again we see groups of capsuleers blowing things up for no good reason, killing thousands of crew members in the process. Killing is murder, if not done for a valid reason, like defending yourself or while serving Nation.

Once again we see CONCORD allowing widespread murder.


Agreed. As a capsuleer who has been around for awhile I find that my faith, gained over many years, is all that sustains me. Immortality is promised by The Lord, but capsuleers know nothing of responsibility other than their human origins and short time as an immortal pseudo being. You have all heard of the tales of deadly games of grenade juggling and pistol gambling where a clone jump results.

They have no regard for each other, a psychology bred into them by their experiences and the vicious breeds that compose most of the 'gankers' ... Only capsuleers loyal to Amarr or another sovereign state have said they would wish to exterminate this disease.

You are very much on topic Kei
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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-04-29 07:17:16 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
Thank you, Andreus. It has been some time since I was operational in that neck of the woods, so I was intending to lean on one of my colleagues for information in this regard. I'll let Jurou know I won't be needing his help after all, thanks to your timely response.

While not technically linked to the warzone, it's also worth considering Orvolle and Alentene due to their relative proximity to the contested sector of Placid.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-04-29 12:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bryen Verrisai
Kei Sparrowhawk wrote:
Once again we see CONCORD allowing widespread murder.

Did that many people actually die, though? The capsuleers certainly didn't, and I'd be surprised if most of the baseliner crewmembers on both sides weren't properly trained on evacuating a doomed ship (especially on the part of the suicide attackers).

Really, the only significant effect of Burn Jita is the destruction of capsuleer property and assets on an astronomical scale. And no one benefits more from that than CONCORD, the empires, and baseliners in general, not to mention any capsuleers who avoided the festivities altogether.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#20 - 2014-04-29 12:49:04 UTC
Bryen Verrisai wrote:
Kei Sparrowhawk wrote:
Once again we see CONCORD allowing widespread murder.

Did that many people actually die, though? The capsuleers certainly didn't, and I'd be surprised if most of the baseliner crewmembers on both sides weren't properly trained on evacuating a doomed ship (especially on the part of the suicide attackers).

Really, the only significant effect of Burn Jita is the destruction of capsuleer property and assets on an astronomical scale. And no one benefits more from that than CONCORD, the empires, and baseliners in general, not to mention any capsuleers who avoided the festivities altogether.


So called "Gank" attacks happen too quickly for most crew to escape alive. The survivors would be the lucky few who managed to get themselves trapped in parts of the ships which didn't start leaking O2, and this is usually where I will start my search for survivors in wrecks. Fun fact!
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