Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And yet Command Ships get more DPS compared to a T3... good balance in my opinion

Yes but you have to wait for your weapon timer to cool down.

Time is money, and the converse is true as well. A little back-of-the-napkin math reveals that right now, 1SP is worth about 400-600 ISK (it depends on your current mapping). As a result, the impact of losing a subsystem skill at V is roughly 80m - 130m ISK worth of game time. I'd expect the implants to go for a good bit more than that: a single implant, after all, could insulate all 5 of my subsystem skills at V (note that this suggests a whole set of 5 implants might also be a possibility to explore, 1 for each subsystem ...).

It seems reasonable to me that a player could give up an implant slot (I'd suggest slot six, so there's a trade-off made against use of the Omega implants) for an implant that would mitigate the SP cost of losing a T3. Or, 1 implant slot for an implant that insulates just 1 of the 5 subsystems from SP loss: we could use slots 1-5 or 6-10, causing yet another trade-off to be required.

It's already possible, as others have noted, to avoid this SP loss via ejecting from the ship. That this ability still exists suggests that it's certainly not game-breaking. It is, however, an ugly little kludge. Making an implant or implants available to mitigate what can already be mitigated via a little mouse clicking looks pretty reasonable to me. Industrialists have another chance to make money, T3 pilots would have another ISK sink and a potentially thorny trade-off to sort out, T3 pilot pods would become more blingy leading to fatter killboard stats, and the rest of us would be none the worse off.

Full disclosure: I fly T3s, I lose T3s, and I'm not sure if I'd buy these or not. But I like the idea.

Lore wise, the SP loss is because you were forceably removed from what amounts to a electrical taped and breadboarded mess of a control interface. Lore wise, it would be reasonable at this point for a method of at least soldering that breadboard together to avoid the SP loss to come around.

What's being proposed is an option to trade ISK for time, basically, at a steeper rate than the time is theoretically worth, per Lazarus' math. So, basically, the proposed idea is paying a hefty price for convenience.

If you insist the 4 day train or the 200m ISK is "nothing" and the implant is pointless, then you should actually have no issue with this implant being put in, because it wouldn't really effect you. If you're only complaint is the cost, then you still approve of the idea. If you are horrified at the thought of removing the SP loss penalty on T3's, you likely don't actually fly them or die to them far more often than you'd like. However, bear in mind that the currently proposed price is a 20-30% increase on the ship cost to avoid it. That's kind of steep, especially if its lost on t3 loss, not pod loss. Likely that last bit, where you lose it, is a more sensible implementation.

"Eject from your t3" to avoid SP loss is a counter argument to this? For one, technically, yes you can, but odds are if you have time to wait out the timers, the ejection was pointless. But, really, you're fine with a sketchy mechanic to accomplish this, but not fine with a better established mechanic. That seems silly.

For what it's worth, I always thought that if you were the owner of the T3, and it went pop, then you lost the SP regardless of timers. But I don't tend to leave my T3's floating around where they can get shot without me, and for the very few T3's I've, uh, borrowed, there would be no SP loss.

Just as bluntly: we already PLEX for SP. Buy one PLEX, get a month's worth of SP. As another example, just buy a toon off the character auction and get an arbitrarily large pile of SP in exchange for the corresponding pile of PLEX.

The original idea implies taking that fungibility one step further: If I can buy PLEX for ISK, and having bought a PLEX I then get one month's worth of SP, why not enable a player to avoid that SP loss by spending ISK as well? Ultimately it's a question about how fungible do we want the ISK/SP (well, the ISK/SP/Real Money/PLEX) relationship to be.

SP loss for T3 cruisers always just seemed to be the logical drawback for their versatility.

The retrain time potentially stops you from simply jumping back into station, refitting, and popping back out to rejoin the fray. Time is the price you pay for losing the ship, not an isk cost. The idea is that this ship can't be used in a time sensitive situation that requires you to immediately rejoin the action.

Think about it, do you really want entire fleets of T3's refitting in the middle of a fight?

Or, y'know, if the skill lost made the fit work in some way, in which case you're boned.

A much simpler mechanic would be that after losing a t3 is that your clone is in shock and you cannot fly a T3 for 20 hours.......
How does losing skillpoints in any way benefit the game? Sure a cost to losing a T3 in exchange for it's many benefits. Is understandable, but the skillpoint loss idea is just some wierd twisted, "must punish them for having something nice" mentality.