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State of Interdictors?

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Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-04-28 21:22:53 UTC
Been away from the world of Eve for a while.

When i came back recently I'm wondering how the interceptor changes have effected Interdictors as a whole? Are there any other factor's that I haven't seen yet that might effect how these ships work?

I remember them being suicide-ish boats that are fairly necessary in small/fast gangs to tackle groups and cover exits.

Please give more than a one word answer I'm doing research currently but really want the opinion of the community backed up with examples and 'proof'.

Thank you in advance for your input.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-

Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-04-28 21:36:11 UTC
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
Please give more than a one word answer I'm doing research currently but really want the opinion of the community backed up with examples and 'proof'.


Opinions don't need proof.

Dictors are still good for catching anything else than ceptors in fleet ops, just like a year ago.
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#3 - 2014-04-28 21:44:47 UTC
Hetetic is pretty awesome, Damn fast and quite good as a low sec T2 kitey destroyer.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#4 - 2014-04-29 01:09:05 UTC
Aerie Evingod wrote:
Hetetic is pretty awesome, Damn fast and quite good as a low sec T2 kitey destroyer.


On paper the Eris seems better, more dps and faster.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#5 - 2014-04-29 02:20:06 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Aerie Evingod wrote:
Hetetic is pretty awesome, Damn fast and quite good as a low sec T2 kitey destroyer.


On paper the Eris seems better, more dps and faster.

Less range, worse cap, lower tank, has to deal with tracking, and doesn't have wtfpwnmobile volley.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2014-04-29 07:09:16 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Aerie Evingod wrote:
Hetetic is pretty awesome, Damn fast and quite good as a low sec T2 kitey destroyer.


On paper the Eris seems better, more dps and faster.

Less range, worse cap, lower tank, has to deal with tracking, and doesn't have wtfpwnmobile volley.


Tracking is not an issue at range unless you're orbiting, and if you're orbiting you're doing it wrong. Speed is incredibly important for a kiter and no matter how wtfpwnmobile your volley is, getting caught is usually death, same goes for tank. Don't get me wrong, Heretic is a great kiting interdictor, I just think the Eris is better on paper. To be honest I have never flown kiting interdictors so if you've flown both extensively then I'll take your word for it.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#7 - 2014-04-29 12:50:34 UTC
Missile dictors have the best surviability - you can drop a bubble and sit 50KM out and whore KM's, plus any ceptors are fodder for you.

The problem with dictors is the same as it has always been: EXTREMELY expensive for its hullsize. Terrible EHP. Terrible tanking ability. Frigate gun ranges are bad.

Sure, the Sabre wrecks frigs - but if anything with medium guns looks at funny, it pops instanatly.

I'm starting to prefer the heretic: Even with a lower tank, it survives longer due to missiles. If you don't fit guns to a dictor and only bubble, it literally makes no difference which one you fly.
Skelee VI
Swamp Panthers
Bog Brotherhood
#8 - 2014-04-29 13:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Skelee VI
Sabre is still an awesome dictor. Cranks out lot of dps and fast. I do like the light missile heretic too. Dual ASB Sabre has good enough tank to run.
But in the end the job is to bubble and let the other ships do all the work :)
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#9 - 2014-05-01 23:35:27 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Aerie Evingod wrote:
Hetetic is pretty awesome, Damn fast and quite good as a low sec T2 kitey destroyer.


On paper the Eris seems better, more dps and faster.

Less range, worse cap, lower tank, has to deal with tracking, and doesn't have wtfpwnmobile volley.


Tracking is not an issue at range unless you're orbiting, and if you're orbiting you're doing it wrong. Speed is incredibly important for a kiter and no matter how wtfpwnmobile your volley is, getting caught is usually death, same goes for tank. Don't get me wrong, Heretic is a great kiting interdictor, I just think the Eris is better on paper. To be honest I have never flown kiting interdictors so if you've flown both extensively then I'll take your word for it.

The thing is "tracking is not an issue at range unless you're orbiting" is not really true because like you said speed is important for a kiter. If you're using your speed then tracking will become an issue at times no matter what. Having said that, they are both good just different.

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!

CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#10 - 2014-05-03 18:34:56 UTC
OP.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-05-03 19:52:30 UTC
The Eris is a pile of garbage whose only redeeming value (aside from some truly suicidal high-DPS comedy fits) is that it's cheaper than the others if all you plan to do is drop a bubble and explode.

Its slot layout and bonuses scream "armor and rails", but it doesn't actually have enough CPU for any respectable kind of fit even if you don't care about putting a cloak on your dictors, and even fully bricked out it has less EHP than any of its peers, Sabre included. It doesn't have enough mid slots for range control in a blaster fit (and even that still has serious CPU issues) or any kind of utility modules, and it's also not particularly fast.


The Sabre still owns bones, the Flycatcher has a hilarious tank, and the Heretic learned some cool tricks, but the Eris is still junk.


For perspective: The Sabre is designed to use Autocannons (4.5 CPU each for 150mms) and it has more CPU than the ship with a bonus to Hybrid Turret optimal range..
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-05-03 21:07:37 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:

I'm starting to prefer the heretic: Even with a lower tank, it survives longer due to missiles. If you don't fit guns to a dictor and only bubble, it literally makes no difference which one you fly.


Sure it does, you want to fly either the fastest one, or the cheapest. The faster it is, the more likely you are to get away after bubbling, so that you can bubble again.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-05-05 13:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Voyager Arran
Arronicus wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:

I'm starting to prefer the heretic: Even with a lower tank, it survives longer due to missiles. If you don't fit guns to a dictor and only bubble, it literally makes no difference which one you fly.


Sure it does, you want to fly either the fastest one, or the cheapest. The faster it is, the more likely you are to get away after bubbling, so that you can bubble again.


For fleet work:

The Sabre is the fastest and most agile and can still boast something like a 16k EHP tank before boosts while going for a very high agility fit (overheat your hardeners). It's the best option when the only thing that will save you is not being there anymore.

The Flycatcher isn't as fast as the Sabre but it has a hilarious pile of EHP and great resists. If you're in a small-scale shield fleet with logistics support (and engage at ranges where your logistics could actually reach you) it's actually quite likely to be able to catch reps and live even against opponents trying fairly hard to kill it.

The Heretic gets a bit of a raw deal on this one: it gets the EHP of the Sabre for the speed of the Flycatcher. On it's own merits, it's not that impressive, but it's the only real option for armor fleets if you're flying in a situation where that matters. It also has utility mids with plenty of fitting room to use them and the option to try things like 10mn AB fits.

The Eris is cheap I guess.
Celepheron
ZOMGPEWPEWLAZERGUN
#14 - 2014-05-09 11:46:31 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:

I'm starting to prefer the heretic: Even with a lower tank, it survives longer due to missiles. If you don't fit guns to a dictor and only bubble, it literally makes no difference which one you fly.


Sure it does, you want to fly either the fastest one, or the cheapest. The faster it is, the more likely you are to get away after bubbling, so that you can bubble again.


For fleet work:

The Sabre is the fastest and most agile and can still boast something like a 16k EHP tank before boosts while going for a very high agility fit (overheat your hardeners). It's the best option when the only thing that will save you is not being there anymore.

The Flycatcher isn't as fast as the Sabre but it has a hilarious pile of EHP and great resists. If you're in a small-scale shield fleet with logistics support (and engage at ranges where your logistics could actually reach you) it's actually quite likely to be able to catch reps and live even against opponents trying fairly hard to kill it.

The Heretic gets a bit of a raw deal on this one: it gets the EHP of the Sabre for the speed of the Flycatcher. On it's own merits, it's not that impressive, but it's the only real option for armor fleets if you're flying in a situation where that matters. It also has utility mids with plenty of fitting room to use them and the option to try things like 10mn AB fits.

The Eris is cheap I guess.



I am actually very interested in how you guys fit your Flycatcher's. Can anyone give me a good direction?
Quinten Sarn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-05-09 12:42:42 UTC
[Flycatcher, New Setup 1]
Internal Force Field Array I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Rocket
Interdiction Sphere Launcher I, Warp Disrupt Probe
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe /OFFLINE

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I

I like this. rockets will hit out to 23k, just manually orbit at 18k-ish with the web pre-heated. when your target gets within 15k, start spamming the web to slow him before he lands tackle.

8.5k ehp, 170 dps tank from the booster. cap lasts 9 minutes with everything but the web on. 2389 m/s unheated, 157 dps @ 23k with javs, 236 with rage @ 12.7k. probes offline in case you need to scan something down.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#16 - 2014-05-09 13:33:21 UTC
Only dictor worth mentioning is the heretic.

Currently one of the best Solo / Small gang ships in game. It has a great sig reduction bonus, nice tank with some excellent DPS application, and projection. With around 250ish non heated DPS it is very, very good. Completely outstrips the other compition when light missile fit.

Something likes this:

Light missile launcher II
Light missile launcher II
Light missile launcher II
Light missile launcher II
Salvager I
Light missile launcher II
Light missile launcher II
Light missile launcher II

Warp Disruptor II
1MN Experimental MWD
X5 Web

Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Small Anci armor rep

Bay Loading accelerator II
polycarbon Engine housing I