Ships & Modules

In the interest in trying to recapture the spirit of GD, and actually complain about something interesting, I'm going to whine about energy neutralisers.

Recently I've joined RvB on another character and I have been steadily losing frigates at an enjoyable rate. But there is one problem. Energy Neutralisers. They are instant death to fast tackle. ECM generally gets the most criticism, but for frigates losing cap when you are juggling scram, webs and afterburners removes them from the field.

On top of this, I have dim memories that Nosferatus got nerfed for much the same reason (and yes I am playing with fitting them and energy neutralisers to frigates now too).

So what do you think? Is cap warfare fun for all? Are neuts the new nos?

Actually nos was nerfed because there was no downside to their up. They were over nerfed and now look a bit better. There are options for frigs, but then :Cookie:

Nos does look like it might be worth looking at for hero tackle, might make juggling scram and afterburners a little easier.

Ah, I originally started in 07, but I don't remember the details around the changes to nos, except they would only drain cap if you were at a lower percentage(?) level than the target.

The cap needed to run neuts can be challenging for smaller ships, but for larger ships this doesn't make them a hard choice to counter tackle.

So are neutralisers too harsh for some ships, or is this just a part of the rich game of rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock we play?

nerf on NOS was because you would get the same pluses as the neuts, albeit at a bit less efficiency as I recall (NOS drained less than their comparable neut). Thing is tho, they would still drain you dry, while your oponent would be able to tap on a second capacitor tank (yours) indefinitely.

Add the fact that we were in the dawn of the nano-age and you'll see behemoths like the nano nos-domi that could wipe a battlefield even when faced with superior numbers.


thanks to that, even today I'm still very wary of facing a goddamn domi if I'm in anything smaller than a BC.

Neuts have and always been the biggest threat to frig class ships.

Where the hell have you been?

I never had issues with neuts.


You just shouldn't activate them instantly,
but instead watch your cap.


When it suddenly dries out, activate the NOS.

Micromanagement can be annoying, but it helps.

Nos is designed to keep limited, low cap/s modules running - which is exactly what Tackle modules are.

If you are a TRUE tackler, you fit passive EHP and minimum of 1 nos on highs. Damage isn't even tertiary, it's about 5th on the list of priorities for tackle. The duration of neuts Vs. Nos creates a clear messages: Neuts are designed to destabilise a ships tank/Damage-Output and Nos is designed to mitigate the effects of Neuts when applied to small ships.

Unbonused Neuts are fine imo - 'Geddons and Bhaalgorns though... that's a different story. It's fine when a paper thin curse neuts you from 40km, but BS sized neut boats are boring and 100% necessary in cap-fleet-fights.

I've been running a shield buffer atron for tackle lately. Generally when I'm being neuted thanks to cycle times, it's my hybrids that stop first. Though generally i am focusing on keeping my scramblers running, followed by after burners and then rails.

Wondering if it worth looking at neuts for when I'm more likely to be facing frigates. Though auxillary shield boosters seem to be becoming popular so I am not sure if it is worth it.

ASBs are not cap injectors despite what some people think. They are semi-capless tanking mods that have a limited number of uses. The cap booster charges in your ASB can not power anything else so capping out a target with an ASB is still a big advantage. Sure they can still boost but if they can't do anything else it won't get them very far. Not to mention sometimes a cycle of a prop mod can break web range while getting a shield boost cycle in only delays the inevitable.

If a frigate is running an AB and an ASB and gets neuted out by a ship that outmatches it a cap injector may allow it to run its AB for damage mitigation either by pulling range or orbiting at higher speed without a signature bloom. All the ASB can possibly do is give back shield and allows for the hope that friends show up before your frigate pops. Often the mitigation of the AB would keep you alive longer than the boosts from an ASB particularly in cases of high alpha (anything that does more than 100% of your shield per volley but less than 100% of your total HP). In short, if a ship is using an ASB go ahead and neut it out anyway, this is nothing like using a TD on a ship that only has missile damage.