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Probe-Proof with ECCM?
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B Raan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-23 08:33:31 UTC
For a while now, I have known the ECCM can make you immune to combat probes (or damn close to it). But today someone asked me to explain why it works, and I was at a loss for words. Sad

In fact the more I thought about it, the less it made sense, if your signature is associated with your sensor strength in any way, it seems that ECCM would make you easier to scan down.

Can someone explain how this works? Thanks in advance!
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#2 - 2014-04-23 09:33:39 UTC
thinking does not seem to be your thing.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2014-04-23 10:25:47 UTC
target size = sig radius / sensor strength

If you increase your sensor strength, you decrease your size as a target which makes it more difficult for probes to pinpoint your location.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#4 - 2014-04-23 13:10:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
OP, suspend any kind of rl scientific thinking as you ponder this question. Yes, one would suppose that as sensor strength goes up so would the energy use, and therefore the ability to detect whatever emanates from all that energy use. Heat or something should be detectable with all that that energy is safeguarding.

But this is EVE, an internet spaceship game. Two of those words connote make believe, and the third is in its rl infancy. So return to your child like self and just accept that the game formula rewards packing eccms onto a ship with it being harder to probe down.

And don't be particularly bothered by BM's negative comment. He is always negative. He and his buddies even think the devs favor other factions than the one he chose, and that they revel in their persecution. I really don't know why he plays or posts in this game. It does not seem to fill him with any enjoyment. And that is usually what games should do.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2014-04-23 14:02:06 UTC
Suspended disbelief has to be a given.

But think about it as if the ECCM is jamming the probes with chaff or signal noise. It doesn't make you invisible to the probes. It just makes the probes unable to give a 100% lock.

That is to say without counter electronics to boost up probe strength again (implants and what have you)
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#6 - 2014-04-23 18:18:47 UTC

It used to be, to become "unprobable", your ships sensor strength / sig radius needs to be greater than 1.083

Your sig radius depends on your ship class, and is difficult to change (fleet boosts and Halo implants can).
Your Sensor strength may be increased by ECCM.

CCP put a cap on this, so that when you do exceed this "unprobable" criteria, you will still be probable by highly skilled probers with virtue implants.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2014-04-24 19:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
[Atron, "Unprobable" Setup]

Warded Magnetometric Backup Cluster I
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Prototype ECCM Magnetometric Sensor Cluster
Prototype ECCM Magnetometric Sensor Cluster

Cynosural Field Generator I (offline)
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
[empty rig slot]



Stats (with level 5 skills):
- cap stable at ~70%
- burns at ~3200 m/sec
- sensor strength ~43
- signature radius ~35
- Sen Strength / Sig Radius = ~1.22

I once "AFK cloaked" a null-sec system for 4 days with this ship... "for science." Lol

How did you Veterans start?
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#8 - 2014-04-24 22:09:58 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/tCZjlbX.jpg

almost.... OP. nobody can explain it well because its just make believe rules.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
B Raan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-04-24 22:34:38 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
[Atron, "Unprobable" Setup]

Warded Magnetometric Backup Cluster I
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Prototype ECCM Magnetometric Sensor Cluster
Prototype ECCM Magnetometric Sensor Cluster

Cynosural Field Generator I (offline)
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
[empty rig slot]



Stats (with level 5 skills):
- cap stable at ~70%
- burns at ~3200 m/sec
- sensor strength ~43
- signature radius ~35
- Sen Strength / Sig Radius = ~1.22

I once "AFK cloaked" a null-sec system for 4 days with this ship... "for science." Lol


Cool setup. The ships I use the ECCM on are usually my gas mining Ventures. I've had many a wannabe ganker try to scan me down and fail. Then I get on local and make fun of thier inability to "perform". Blink
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#10 - 2014-04-25 05:28:38 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/tCZjlbX.jpg

almost.... OP. nobody can explain it well because its just make believe rules.


actually you can use 'probe proof' remote ECCM heron to boost your chimera so you do not have to gimp your fit to make 'probe proof' chimera.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#11 - 2014-04-25 15:47:41 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/tCZjlbX.jpg

almost.... OP. nobody can explain it well because its just make believe rules.


actually you can use 'probe proof' remote ECCM heron to boost your chimera so you do not have to gimp your fit to make 'probe proof' chimera.

the stacking penalties are already maxed out. any remote eccm has no effect

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#12 - 2014-04-25 19:48:11 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/tCZjlbX.jpg

almost.... OP. nobody can explain it well because its just make believe rules.


actually you can use 'probe proof' remote ECCM heron to boost your chimera so you do not have to gimp your fit to make 'probe proof' chimera.

the stacking penalties are already maxed out. any remote eccm has no effect


IDEA WAS THAT CHIMERA HAS NO ECCM AT ALL.
GreenSeed
#13 - 2014-04-25 20:48:14 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/tCZjlbX.jpg

almost.... OP. nobody can explain it well because its just make believe rules.


actually you can use 'probe proof' remote ECCM heron to boost your chimera so you do not have to gimp your fit to make 'probe proof' chimera.

the stacking penalties are already maxed out. any remote eccm has no effect


IDEA WAS THAT CHIMERA HAS NO ECCM AT ALL.

BUT THEN WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE MEN TO DO WITH ALL THOSE ECCM MODULES?
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-04-27 23:41:31 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/tCZjlbX.jpg

almost.... OP. nobody can explain it well because its just make believe rules.


actually you can use 'probe proof' remote ECCM heron to boost your chimera so you do not have to gimp your fit to make 'probe proof' chimera.

the stacking penalties are already maxed out. any remote eccm has no effect


IDEA WAS THAT CHIMERA HAS NO ECCM AT ALL.

BUT THEN WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE MEN TO DO WITH ALL THOSE ECCM MODULES?


EAT THEM!

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-04-28 20:46:19 UTC
Not a hard concept. The more advanced your sensors, the more advanced your stealth technology.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.