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That is the whole point of T2 invention. Suck it up and make a more efficient production chain that you can effectively manage. I don't think industry needs to be dumbed down even further to the lowest denominators.

Tippia, if it isn't too much trouble, can you run the same query for stations & outposts (or whatever was in your first query) that have manufacturing facilities? I'm looking to see ratio of lab services to manu services, and how the regions compare.

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All industry slots are in there. Player-placed outposts are not part of the static data dump, so no luck there.
By the looks of it, only 15 station offer research services but not manufacturing, whereas ~900 stations offer manufacturing but no research.

i think it's more like poor feedback from the game. one stat shouldn't be telling the player 'this is totally getting better!' when it's not

No - so what will happen if I invent further to ME 10%, no more changes?
Since there is no more waste ME 0% is base so very ME level means less material consumption, so there must be a different between 8% and 10%.

I disagree with the upwards scaling wall of the level progression.

In the current system ME/PE 10 can be obtained rather easily, in the proposed system it will take a long time.

The following numbers are using no modifiers on these research time to ME 10
Frigate 13D 21H 20m After 102.24 Days
Cruiser 27D 18H 40m After 204.48 Days
BS/BC 41D 16H After 306.72 Days
Carriers/Dreads 1.62Y After 11.94 Years
Supercarriers 3.25Y After 23.89 Years
Titans 6.49Y After 47.81 Years

Take into account these numbers are using no skills or pos to show base values, its possible someone could have bought a titan BPO and researched it in a pos for 3.5 years and gotten it to ME 10. The proposed new scaling system not only rewards players who invested heavily in the old system but punishes any new players trying to get into production.

Primarily the level scaling on levels 6-10, Rather than continued exponential increases it would be better to plateau out with minor increases per level, which is what we get now.

Since ME 1 currently is Now Level 5 then the research time from level 1 to level 5 should be roughly equal to the total research time of ME 1 which i think has been achieved, but the research times Level 10 is a nightmare, you're trading diminishing returns in material saved for soul crushing time wasting, which i believe is just bad policy, at least try to keep the soul crushing time wasting to what it is now rather than punish everyone that hasn't done something yet.

RE: conversion of old high-ME/PE BPOs to new BPOs (apologies if this has already been suggested)

Trying to reimburse players for time invested in high levels of ME/PE would indeed be complicated.

CCP is proposing to switch ME/PE to a 10-level X rank system, similar to the SP system. So, perhaps an easier solution would be just to have a ME/TE reimbursement bank, which can be applied to any BPO - ie. similar to the SP reimbursement bank that we have now.

Points for the bank can calculated as simply as subtracting 10 from the current ME/PE level, and multiplying the remainder by the new ME/TE rank.

So, a ME 50 BPO, which will become a rank 2 BPO under the new scheme, would result in a ME10% BPO + 80 [(50 - 10) x 2] ME points. The recovered points could then be used to research up 4 other rank 2 BPOs to ME 10%.

And, ofc, the conversion can be easily scaled for better balance.

So, for example, instead of using ( "current ME" - 10 ) x "new rank", this could be ("current ME" - 10) / 5 * "new rank", which means that you'd only get 16 ME points, ie. a ME 50 BPO would convert to a ME 10% BPO plus enough points to research another rank 2 BPO to ME 8%.

Quick question:

How long will it take to create 20 max run copies of an Expanded Cargohold I?

Right now, it's about 100 hours.

To fully manufacture that, (at PL 0), that's around 800 hours to manufacture.

I assume you're not going to screw the the numbers to increase the copy time here? As that would destroy invention.

You either missed or didn't understand what I wrote. Making BPCs now costs a significant amount of isk, even in a POS. Also with copy and manufacture time being equalised, if you want to produce from BPCs you are going to be constantly using all your science slots to copy instead of doing other things. That is a pretty big drawback, and therefore a big advantage to producing direct from BPOs.

What's a few million database rows between friends?

The current contract system is so square peg/round hole as to be a decent impediment to more wide-spread usage.

If you're looking to get more players involved in industry and wanting BPCs to be a larger part of the equation, having a "Blueprint Market" kind of interface for BPC sales would be a huge benefit. Whether integrated into the existing market or something entirely new, it would benefit everyone from buyers to sellers. The contract arena could still be used for "BPC packs" or other constructs where it makes sense but for selling stacks of BPCs it gets my vote.