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Best counter to a Tornado/Oracle fleet?
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Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-12-01 17:40:59 UTC
I'm curious what the eve communities opinions are on how to counter said fleet.

Ship types, numbers, fleet compostion, etc.

Looking forward to your input.

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Needle Juice
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-12-01 17:49:27 UTC
Bombers or assault frigates
grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
#3 - 2011-12-01 18:02:19 UTC
Bombs LOTS OF THEM
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#4 - 2011-12-01 18:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hirana Yoshida
grazer gin wrote:
Bombs LOTS OF THEM

Won't need that many considering the flimsy nature of the tier3's ..

Now if only CCP gave us the option to detonate bombs without launching them, that is to suicide with AoE effect and introduced a T2 bomb launcher with enough capacity to carry three (for even more AoE suicide fun).

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Havoc Zealot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-12-01 19:41:51 UTC
Use a battleship...BS>New BC
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-12-01 20:52:30 UTC
Use a rifter with T1 small ACs, they can't hit it and their shittanks will die...

Dodixie > Hek
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-12-01 23:29:37 UTC
Frigates.

I'm back!
Klown Walk
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-01 23:33:23 UTC
Cruisers with tracking disruption.
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-12-02 00:36:33 UTC
soo.. everything and anything, basically?

It knows what you think.
Score
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-02 02:38:17 UTC
Well Sir...
All ya gotta do is dodge some big guns...


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    Improve Angular Velocity by doing BOTH of the following
  1. getting close
  2. being fast

footnote: being small helps

Good luck!

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Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-12-02 06:20:09 UTC
well with their tank this is what you do...

Hit them with a stick... any size should do one maybe two hits tops

although bombs do sound like a good idea or something fast and small

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#12 - 2011-12-02 06:26:51 UTC
Basically anything that's faster or can shoot just as far as a 1400mm armed tornado can. In sniper setups, the tier 3 BC's are complete glass cannons. Even tanked they are pretty squishy. If you can shoot just as far, you'll win the gank/tank fight directly pretty much regardless of what ships you use. If you are faster, then you can simply duck under their guns and then they are defenseless.

The problem of course arises when you are neither faster nor have greater weapon range. A prime example would be some conventional AC nano or plate canes vs sniper tornado's. The tornado's may only have 16k ehp, but the canes will never land a hit on them.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#13 - 2011-12-02 09:28:04 UTC
Depend how those fleets are fitted to play, but usually shooting back on right range helps a lot.
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#14 - 2011-12-02 11:29:53 UTC
Frigates.
Assault.
Drone.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#15 - 2011-12-02 11:38:51 UTC
well has some limited experience with them

1) kite mid range (800 ACS and Megapulse) - I would say well positioned bomber/bombs or properly tanked abadons or apocs (megapulse). Boosted SFI can rock too.

2) Snipers (arty or tachs) - probes + scram MWD smaller ships warpin or sniping tempests (with some tank) - pest can snipe nado (2 volleys), however nado cannot snipe pest

Well fited nado is not bad ship btw even for midrange kiting.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#16 - 2011-12-02 13:02:57 UTC
The tier 3 BC fits I have seen are all weak buffer tanks; you can make a Naga do 380DPS active tank for about a minute and a half, but that's it (at the risk of pushing out 680DPS only). Your problem is survivng their DPS long enough to knock them out, which of course means you need to land shots on them. They are all essentially either sniping glass cannons, or kiting MWD falloff ships.

Therefore, speedy low sig things like, say, a Vaga or Cynabal or even a Taranis will do well, to chase them down, get in close and wear them down with tiny little ant bites of DPS.

Though, 1280DPS Talos's with webs will make that a frightful proposition.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#17 - 2011-12-02 13:22:34 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:
Frigates.

and destroyers.

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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#18 - 2011-12-02 15:06:36 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Jude Lloyd wrote:
Frigates.

and destroyers.



Yes .... and maybe no ... have to try it, but dessies are still very slow .... my nado is faster then my thrasher .... so if we do not consider some mixed gang with ewar setups I would be very careful. But will try it tonight with my corp buddy if he can melt me.
Conor Todaki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-12-02 17:08:45 UTC
Anything that can drop a ship with less than 40k ehp.
I likegirls
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#20 - 2011-12-03 01:37:56 UTC
3-4 stealth bombers!
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