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Jump clone killed - where I'll awake?

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Tulan Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-28 11:45:40 UTC
Hi.

Let say I have one clone in region A, and another, jump clone, in region B. My region A clone is placed in a station C medical facility. I used medical facility in station D in region B to create jump clone there.
Now my jump clone was killed in region B. Will I awake in station C or in station D?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2014-04-28 11:51:49 UTC
Your "Jumpclones" are just teleport points (also implant holders). when you "jump" to one, it becomes your active clone, and you leave a jumpclone at whatever station you left.

To keep things simpler:

Station 1 - Jita 4-4
Station 2 - Amarr Trade Hub
Station 3 - Dodixie Trade hub

Let's say you have your Med Clone in Kamio.

No matter which "JC" you're in, if you get podded, you will wake up in your medclone in Kamio.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tulan Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-04-28 11:57:09 UTC
Thank you.

Let say I have my main clone in Kamio, where my med clone is. My jump clone was destroyed somewhere else. I wake up in Kamio. So my main and my jump clone will be in the same station? Or I will lose my main clone that way?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#4 - 2014-04-28 12:03:50 UTC
Jumpclones and Medclones are two separate mechanics, so the medclone is "safe" (although it gets reset to a clone alpha when you get podded, so make sure you buy a new clone before undocking).

Just don't JC from a station that already has a JC in it (else one of them gets destroyed).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tulan Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-04-28 12:09:24 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Jumpclones and Medclones are two separate mechanics, so the medclone is "safe" (although it gets reset to a clone alpha when you get podded, so make sure you buy a new clone before undocking).

Just don't JC from a station that already has a JC in it (else one of them gets destroyed).


Now I am totaly lost. So if I use jump clone and get podded, I will awake in clone alpha and lose all my skills?
Caerfinon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-04-28 12:13:38 UTC
Tulan Arnolles wrote:


Now I am totaly lost. So if I use jump clone and get podded, I will awake in clone alpha and lose all my skills?


You wake up in a clone alpha with all of your skills. You then need to immediately update your med clone to hold more skill points then you currently have.

If you get podded while you are in a clone alpha you will lose skill points.

Cheers C.

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Tulan Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-04-28 12:16:39 UTC
Ok, thank you. Newbee here ;)
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#8 - 2014-04-28 12:22:02 UTC
When you get podded you wake up the spare medical clone, and a new *spare* alpha clone is immediately provided .

If your current spare medical clone is an alpha and you are podded you will lose skills. However if your current medical clone can keep all your skills you do not. It is good practice to upgrade the new spare clone as soon as you are podded. Also always check before undocking. I have only ever lost 1 week of training. But it still sucks

You never get podded into a different Jump Clone. You only ever have one spare medical clone at any one time. You can have many Jump Clones.

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Gabriel Z
Krabulous
#9 - 2014-04-28 14:06:53 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Jumpclones and Medclones are two separate mechanics, so the medclone is "safe" (although it gets reset to a clone alpha when you get podded, so make sure you buy a new clone before undocking).

Just don't JC from a station that already has a JC in it (else one of them gets destroyed).

Not quite. You can jump into a clone at the same station you are at. It will only be destroyed if you jump to a jump clone in some other station and you already have one in your current station.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#10 - 2014-04-28 14:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Gabriel Z wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Jumpclones and Medclones are two separate mechanics, so the medclone is "safe" (although it gets reset to a clone alpha when you get podded, so make sure you buy a new clone before undocking).

Just don't JC from a station that already has a JC in it (else one of them gets destroyed).

Not quite. You can jump into a clone at the same station you are at. It will only be destroyed if you jump to a jump clone in some other station and you already have one in your current station.


Yeah, but I didn't want to get into the caveats of using a JC, as the OP is still working things out. Granted, I'm bad at EVE, so I always JC from an empty station (have lost more than one set of expensive implants).

Tulan Arnolles wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Jumpclones and Medclones are two separate mechanics, so the medclone is "safe" (although it gets reset to a clone alpha when you get podded, so make sure you buy a new clone before undocking).

Just don't JC from a station that already has a JC in it (else one of them gets destroyed).


Now I am totaly lost. So if I use jump clone and get podded, I will awake in clone alpha and lose all my skills?


No.

If you have more than 900K SP, you require a contract for a higher clone (e.g. Clone Beta = ~2m SP, IIRC). If you are podded, that medclone clone is activated, the contract is fulfilled, and you're reset to having an Alpha Medclone (for the next time you're podded).

If you have more than 900K SP, you'll need to purchase a new Medclone Beta contract before undocking. Otherwise, when you get podded the next time you'll only have an Alpha Medclone (which can hold 900K SP), and you'll lose some SP.

IIRC, it's 5% of the difference between current SP and max clone SP from the most recently trained L5 skill. So if you have (for example) 1 million SP, and you're in a clone Alpha, you'll lose 20k SP (1m - 900k = 100k * 0.05 = 20k) from whatever your most recent L5 skill was; if you don't have any L5 skills, then you lose the SP from whatever skill has the most SP.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-04-28 14:46:11 UTC
Tulan Arnolles wrote:
Let say I have my main clone in Kamio, where my med clone is. My jump clone was destroyed somewhere else. I wake up in Kamio. So my main and my jump clone will be in the same station? Or I will lose my main clone that way?
There is no such thing as your "main clone".
There is your active clone, your jump clones and your med clone.

When you jump into a jump clone, that jump clone becomes your active clone. Your previous active clone becomes a jump clone, like every other jump clone in the game. There's nothing special about it and it doesn't matter whether it was the clone you were born in.

So, to get back to your example, if you have 3.5 million skill points, a dormant jump clone in Kamio with implants A, where your Epsilon grade med clone is. Then your active clone (with implants B) gets destroyed. You wake up in Kamio in an active clone with no implants. You did not lose any skill points. You still have a dormant jump clone there with implants A. You also have a new, Alpha grade med clone (update it right away to not lose skill points on your next death).
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#12 - 2014-04-28 15:02:23 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Tulan Arnolles wrote:
Let say I have my main clone in Kamio, where my med clone is. My jump clone was destroyed somewhere else. I wake up in Kamio. So my main and my jump clone will be in the same station? Or I will lose my main clone that way?
There is no such thing as your "main clone".
There is your active clone, your jump clones and your med clone.

When you jump into a jump clone, that jump clone becomes your active clone. Your previous active clone becomes a jump clone, like every other jump clone in the game. There's nothing special about it and it doesn't matter whether it was the clone you were born in.

So, to get back to your example, if you have 3.5 million skill points, a dormant jump clone in Kamio with implants A, where your Epsilon grade med clone is. Then your active clone (with implants B) gets destroyed. You wake up in Kamio in an active clone with no implants. You did not lose any skill points. You still have a dormant jump clone there with implants A. You also have a new, Alpha grade med clone (update it right away to not lose skill points on your next death).


This is what I always thought. An "Alpha Clone" is a new term for me. I guess an Alpha clone is just an uninsured clone.


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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2014-04-28 17:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Surprised J'Poll hasn't been here yet.

EVE Online - The clone system aka Clones 101

Short answer: When podded you always awake in your medical clone, the location of which is shown on your character sheet (default keyboard short-cut: ALT A); mouse-over it for more detailed info.

Iria Ahrens wrote:
This is what I always thought. An "Alpha Clone" is a new term for me. I guess an Alpha clone is just an uninsured clone.

"Alpha" is the clone grade which holds 900,000 skill points, and is free. This is what makes capsuleers immortal.

What Happens When My Character Dies : Medical Clone Contracts

Example: I have a "Tau" grade medical clone which holds 120 million skill points, and it costs 21 million ISK.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2014-04-28 19:10:00 UTC
Shameless plug of my clone guide.

Specifically for your question, you will awake in station C. Your "medical clone" is not a real clone standing by, like a jump clone is. It is a promise by that station that you will awake there in event of death of your current clone. It doesn't matter which clone you're using when you get podded, you will still arrive at the same medical station. You can check which one this is by going to your character sheet in-game (click on your portrait in the top left).

Med clone = "respawn" point.

Jump clone = Sleeping clone you can toggle on while toggling yourself off, so you can jump around.

Completely different and non-connected things.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#15 - 2014-04-29 15:28:26 UTC
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#16 - 2014-04-29 17:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
To make it simple you have a medical clone and a jump clone.
Main purpose of a jump clone is that you can swap implants without destroying the ones currently in your head.

So in null it's generally advisable to have a separate "skilling" clone with +5 implants and "PvP" clone that might have some hard wirings and such.
Idea is obviously to avoid losing a few 100mils extra each time you get podded, of c. JC are also handy for instantly switching between locales but "removing" costly implants before PvP is what JC's are mostly used however.

So when you get podded then which ever of your current clone(s) you're using is destroyed and you wake up in your medical (station) clone.
Since the clone fee was paid up front you now have to pay for a new medical clone because your previously bought medical clone is now "in use" and thus serves no use as a back up.

Obviously if you feel like rolling in the $$$ you don't have to swap clones for PvP but personally I don't see a point in losing extra ISK for each time I get podded if I can avoid it.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#17 - 2014-05-01 03:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Easiest way to think about it:

Medical clone
* respawn point location + anti-SP-loss insurance (if sufficiently-sized at the moment of "pod death")
* activates only on "pod death"
* former body was destroyed, all implants on it lost

Jump clone
* alternate "sleeping" bodies + various implant sets holders
* activates only on demand
* former body with all implants on it becomes a JC instead of the one you just chose to activate as your current body

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#18 - 2014-05-01 12:55:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
To simplify it even further:

You only have one consciousness. You can have many bodies (Jump Clones) and once every 24 hours, you are allowed to switch to another body. While in this body, you may stick some implants in it. These will be unique to that specific body.

When you die, you will spawn in your medical clone. Setting your medical clone only determines where you will spawn when you get podded.

This is always crappy Alpha clone, and getting podded in that one would mean SP loss. Hence, you can upgrade your clone's grade. The more SP you have, the higher grade you will have to buy to prevent SP loss. Your clone grade is not unique to a specific body. Hence, you only need to upgrade it once every time you lose your pod to prevent SP loss.