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New Omni nerf- why exactly was it needed? (CCP: to fix lag)

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#21 - 2014-04-28 13:49:23 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Quote:
Omnidirectional tracking link cycle time has been increased to 30 seconds. Capacitor use per cycle remains unchanged.


30 seconds, srsly CCP?

Why even have it scripted anymore?



CCP hates high sec.
Pretty simple answer.
Just look at the total set of changes being inflicted on high sec.
They demonstrate the contempt CCP has for the largest segment of its player base (soon to not be its largest segment).

Rubicon was very aptly named.



Called it!!!!!!

Big smile
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#22 - 2014-04-28 13:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dinsdale Pirannha
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Dinsdale wtf



F1 monkeys in null don't change scripts nearly as often as someone ratting in a mission, where the frigs are on top of you, and you have to now have to wait 30 seconds to get a chance to shoot them.

So if this was really about cap usage, then CCP could just as easily cut the activation cost by 3.
But no, they made the module even more unusable.

edit:

I best not complain though about the fact that tracking computers have a cycle time of 10 seconds, because CCP might then just "balance" those as well to 30 seconds.
stoicfaux
#23 - 2014-04-28 13:54:12 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Quote:
Omnidirectional tracking link cycle time has been increased to 30 seconds. Capacitor use per cycle remains unchanged.


30 seconds, srsly CCP?

Why even have it scripted anymore?



CCP hates high sec.
Pretty simple answer.
Just look at the total set of changes being inflicted on high sec.
They demonstrate the contempt CCP has for the largest segment of its player base (soon to not be its largest segment).

Rubicon was very aptly named.



Called it!!!!!!

Big smile

Dinsdale alt spotted!


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#24 - 2014-04-28 13:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Dinsdale wtf



F1 monkeys in null don't change scripts nearly as often as someone ratting in a mission, where the frigs are on top of you, and you have to now have to wait 30 seconds to get a chance to shoot them.

So if this was really about cap usage, then CCP could just as easily cut the activation cost by 3.
But no, they made the module even more unusable.


So it doesnt do anything?

Or its impossible to fit?

It would have to be one or both of those to be unusable

Also something cant be MORE unusable. It either is usable or its not.

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stoicfaux
#25 - 2014-04-28 13:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
At the risk of repeating myself, the reasons for the 30s change are:

Reduced server load.

Sentry 'balancing'.

To encourage use of the new drone low-slot mods which will be more "balanced" in terms of bonuses (e.g. TEs versus TCs) thus making the low-slot fixed "generally" bonused low-slot omni-equivalent a valid choice over the 30s to change, all-or-nothing min-maxed Omnis. Which has the "side" effect of DDAs competing with low-slot Omnis and thus reducing drone DPS (aka more balancing,) while also making the new faction DDA's more attractive.

It also opens up the market for specialized drones, e.g. drones with a inherently better than tracking or range as a means of compensating for the 30s inflexibility of the Omni script swaps.

The lower cap use is just a weak attempt to assuage CCP's guilt and mollify/distract the player base.


For bonus karma (negative karma is still karma,) CCP will probably make it so the mid-slot Omnis won't work without a script, ergo, you can either have an Optimal bonus or a Tracking bonus, but not both, thus making the low-slot Omni modules attractive/competitive.


/tin_foil_in_bulk

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2014-04-28 13:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
F1 monkeys in null don't change scripts nearly as often as someone ratting in a mission
F1 monkeys in highsec missions don't have to react as rapidly to changing circumstances as someone killing player-controlled ships in low and null. If you can't predict what you're going to need 30 seconds in advance when facing NPCs, you probably need to seek medical attention for your cognitive or nervous disorders.

Quote:
But no, they made the module even more unusable.
“Even more” suggests that it is unusable. If so, then the change makes no difference. In reality, it's usable — before as well as after the change.

No matter how much you try, this is not a highsec change.
No matter how much you try, this does not make omnilinks unusable.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#27 - 2014-04-28 14:00:44 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
At the risk of repeating myself, the reasons for the 30s change are:

Reduced server load.

Sentry 'balancing'.

To encourage use of the new drone low-slot mods which will be more "balanced" in terms of bonuses (e.g. TEs versus TCs) thus making the low-slot fixed "generally" bonused low-slot omni-equivalent a valid choice over the 30s to change, all-or-nothing min-maxed Omnis. Which has the "side" effect of DDAs competing with low-slot Omnis and thus reducing drone DPS (aka more balancing,) while also making the new faction DDA's more attractive.

It also opens up the market for specialized drones, e.g. drones with a inherently better than tracking or range as a means of compensating for the 30s inflexibility of the Omni script swaps.

The lower cap use is just a weak attempt to assuage CCP's guilt and mollify/distract the player base.


For bonus karma (negative karma is still karma,) CCP will probably make it so the mid-slot Omnis won't work without a script, ergo, you can either have an Optimal bonus or a Tracking bonus, but not both, thus making the low-slot Omni modules attractive/competitive.


/tin_foil_in_bulk



What is even more galling is the fact that there was nothing about this in the F&I thread, nor dev blogs.
This was just some arbitrary change to game play, another huge nerf to drone users, without any warning nor consultation.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#28 - 2014-04-28 14:02:09 UTC
Guess who? wrote:
another huge nerf to drone users, without any warning nor consultation.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfk2wvZAxgc

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2014-04-28 14:02:44 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
This was just some arbitrary change to game play, another huge nerf to drone users
Not really, no.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#30 - 2014-04-28 14:05:40 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
Posting in terrible soon to be threadnaught stealth nerf highsec afk cloaking grr Goons unban Erotica1 thread


Just stop. You're awful
stoicfaux
#31 - 2014-04-28 14:06:15 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

What is even more galling is the fact that there was nothing about this in the F&I thread, nor dev blogs.
This was just some arbitrary change to game play, another huge nerf to drone users, without any warning nor consultation.

Huge? Uhm, fyi, when looking up tiny on thesaurus.com, stop reading when you get to the section marked "Antonyms."

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2014-04-28 14:08:31 UTC
So run the omnis unscripted then Jeeze you people and your whining.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2014-04-28 14:26:31 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
So run the omnis unscripted then Jeeze you people and your whining.

But my minmaxing!!1 Onoz!
Anslo
Scope Works
#34 - 2014-04-28 14:32:17 UTC
Does my Ishtar still blap things well?

/me checks
/me insta's another stealth bomber

Yep, we're good here people.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#35 - 2014-04-28 14:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


F1 monkeys in null don't change scripts nearly as often as someone ratting in a mission, where the frigs are on top of you, and you have to now have to wait 30 seconds to get a chance to shoot them.


Wait, I just noticed this.

What? What kind of drones are you using that -need- better tracking to hit frigs that are already "on top of you". Sentries aren't going to be able to hit regardless, heavies can't catch them, mediums will apply damage poorly and lights don't benefit greatly from more tracking anyways.

Is this another example of you raging at CCP to cover the fact that you have a poor grasp of game mechanics and aren't very good at PVE? It seems so, because this isn't the 1st time you've said something that even a novice PVEr would know is BS (you know, like how in one sentence you say you've run thousands of missions just to turn around and demonstrate that yo don't know that NOSs aren't EWAR lol)

Omnidirectional links are fine, my Mission Domi is as good as ever.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#36 - 2014-04-28 14:51:49 UTC
As much as it is fun to troll dinsdale, I really dont see the point for this change either.

30 seconds is painfully long, even more so when you compare it to all other modules that boost some sort of stat (except damage controls)
Jack Lennox
Grove Street Families
#37 - 2014-04-28 14:56:47 UTC
INB4L

anddddd as long as we're going off topic/not posting constructively:

Erotica 1 did nothing wrong

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#38 - 2014-04-28 16:22:52 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Dinsdale wtf



F1 monkeys in null don't change scripts nearly as often as someone ratting in a mission, where the frigs are on top of you, and you have to now have to wait 30 seconds to get a chance to shoot them.

So if this was really about cap usage, then CCP could just as easily cut the activation cost by 3.
But no, they made the module even more unusable.

edit:

I best not complain though about the fact that tracking computers have a cycle time of 10 seconds, because CCP might then just "balance" those as well to 30 seconds.


Really? Tell me more about frigates "on top of you" suddenly being tracked by sentries with omnidirectional tracking enhancers.

That's one hell of a stretch to make it a high-sec nerf too.

Do you even read the nonsense you spew?

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#39 - 2014-04-28 17:04:25 UTC
We made this change because of server performance.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
stoicfaux
#40 - 2014-04-28 17:07:17 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
We made this change because of server performance.

Interesting, any details on the improvements/metrics?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.