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New dev blog: Player Owned Customs Offices: An update!

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Xing Chima
Savage Shield Corp
#621 - 2011-12-02 07:25:34 UTC
I think its a good change, making the tax based of in game market prices is good for our sandbox.

However the miscommunication about the goods value changing as well was just going to make the carebears cry. Then again anything that hurts their profits makes them cry.
Dalketh
DRRUSSEL
#622 - 2011-12-02 07:29:01 UTC
Xing Chima wrote:
I think its a good change, making the tax based of in game market prices is good for our sandbox.

However the miscommunication about the goods value changing as well was just going to make the carebears cry. Then again anything that hurts their profits makes them cry.


Who was it crying during the anomoly nerfs? 100 pages of carebears lol? Watch where you aim that smug little finger of yours nullbear. It's all equal.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#623 - 2011-12-02 07:55:38 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
mkint wrote:
Scarlett Ninja wrote:

Wasn't there a blog about making it easier for smaller corps or solo players to move to 0.0 and how it would be made harder for bigger alliances to gank those players so they could get established?

Please could CCP explain to me why you have deliberately stopped me, you fee paying customer with 3 acc, from accessing this game feature in favor of the huge alliances whom i think already have a monopoly of so many resources.

There is no future in EVE for groups smaller than 2,000 people. That is why EVE will die. I don't know if devs are being bribed with RMT, or they are just incredibly myopic. Either way, I'm not sure I've ever been more convinced that EVE online has an expiration date, and that it's closer than anyone suspected.


I think i speak for us all when i say i can't wait for you to leave.


Oh, brilliant.Roll

Well said, lemming. Well-said.

Ni.

ZaBob
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#624 - 2011-12-02 07:56:48 UTC
Personally, I'm pretty tired of people whining about other people caring about their aspect of the game.

Is it just me, or is it just the pirate/griefer crowd that seems to feel the need to feel superior this way -- and express it in the forums?

Regardless of who's doing it to whom, grow up! If you don't care about something someone else does: Just don't post. Go away. Do what you enjoy.

Oh, wait, right. That IS what you enjoy. Right.
sukee tsayah
Southern Cross Silver Shields
Flying Dangerous
#625 - 2011-12-02 08:02:14 UTC
Garwill wrote:
sukee tsayah wrote:
Dalketh wrote:
CCP you did this all wrong and basically lied to people even during the 'we want your feedback!!!!' phase. Pretty damn insulting.

Been playing many years but this just made up my mind. Just signed up for SWTOR. Can't wait. If its any good - sorry - goodbye eve - tired of CCP pretending to care.

FYI doing this right as your new competition coming out is pretty damn dumb of you.


CCP is lucky because SWTOR is SO MUCH FAIL.

very very lucky indeed.



Interesting since several people in Beta have told me it rocks... Who know of course but definitely worth a look I guess since CCP back to it's old "style". Just my opinion. I can't imagine not playing Eve, but **** happens. Not gonna play where I don't think I am respected.


Well if you're looking for a clone of WoW, then yeah, go play SWTOR, 'cause that's what it is. And if you think the people over at SWTOR are going to care much about what you have to say, you're free to dream on. CCP has a better track record than most others; but they do have their moments. Roll
Adrian Stair
Moon Judges
#626 - 2011-12-02 08:29:21 UTC
Jaggins wrote:
If the taxes are hard, please stop doing PI so I can make even more ISK.

The market will find prices that incentivise creative solutions. Think low sec cartels, actually defending PCO's, etc...

I would say shame on the whiners, but they are fairly entertaining in a sad pitiful way.


+1
Nikita Van-Gogh
Doomheim
#627 - 2011-12-02 08:30:13 UTC
idk what ccp try'd but hell Highsec PI is making more money then ever.... im Happy!LolLolLol
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#628 - 2011-12-02 08:47:11 UTC
Nikita Van-Gogh wrote:
idk what ccp try'd but hell Highsec PI is making more money then ever.... im Happy!LolLolLol


Let's see CCP under fire for yet another controversy of their own making, and yet again a never before heard from "oh no I am not a CCP alt" posting single-minded support. RollRollRoll

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

Katowen
#629 - 2011-12-02 08:50:23 UTC
Dalketh wrote:
Mikron Alexarr wrote:
This is probably asking a bit much. Would someone from CCP be able to respond to us at least? This is the eve information portal. I think a lot of us are STILL raising valid points, and no one (not even the "tears are delicious" people) has been able to refute them or make anyone feel any sort of reassurance that you know what you're doing.


They have replied - front page of eve:

"Our developers have confirmed that the tax rates match the design specifications."

Nothing about how they lied after stating in every dev blog AND the patch notes the increase was doubling what we paid before. Just insulting mumbo gumbo.

All they seem to want now is to stop having to deal with petitions on it, not addressing the fact they lied or purposely withheld the true changes they knew they were inflicting on us... for DUST. Eve pays again for another of their game ideas. Didn't they just recently apologize for this ****?

OLD CCP IS BACK already it seems.

I myself and those I know are submitting petitions to demand accountability if only thru the nightmare of having to reply to each of us - as they DESERVE. Something that effects THEM instead of US.


They actually DID NOT lie to use about doubling the tax rate for HighSec offices...They are 10% taxed on the goods.

WHAT THEY DID NOT SAY, was they adjusted the BASE VALUE of the goods to be taxed to the average market price as of 2011 (not average market price back in 2009).

That's where the confusion is.

Katowen

Katowen

Ineeh
Le Cafe des Sports
#630 - 2011-12-02 08:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ineeh
What about people who were only doing PI to fuel their own POS, without ever selling it ? Wait i know, they are screwed, period.

POS fuel cost have risen, between that nerf on PI taxes and the speculation of the f***** goons on oxygen isotope.

My own POS has been unanchored, and i don't plan to use it before long.

Thanks god, SWTOR is only a few weeks away, it's time i get some rest from EVE.

Edit : and of course, the fact that PI was boring as hell is not even mentionned in the CCP response. You need good margin to have people doing boring things.
Hard1234
Hard1234's industries.
#631 - 2011-12-02 09:05:05 UTC
ACY GTMI wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
I come bearing news about tax rates from CCP Omen and Team Pi:

---

The higher PI taxes are deliberate.


Regards
CCP Omen on behalf of team Pi


It's no big deal. I've had as many as 30 PI operations running at the same time and have never made any significant profit from them even though I've tried a number of strategies, watched the tutorials, etc.

The easy solution to this wonderful idea, at least for now, is to blow them in place without exporting anything.

Maybe I'll try PI again some time, but there just doesn't seem to be any incentive.



You probably try PI in high sec. I live in c2 makeing only coolant there. I go out once a month when I have enough coolant to sell. I make 200+ m (now even more since price went up a lot) selling coolant. I dont even talk about ribbons, gas, mining materials and reactions. I make 400 m (depending on the price).

That was before this patch. Now I'll have to shut down PI untill I'm able to destroy interbus co and put my own.
Chiralos
Chiral's Angels
#632 - 2011-12-02 09:21:13 UTC
CCP should have made a larger announcement when they decided to change the tax rates from being based on the old fiat values to market-based one. Also - Concorde and Interbus tax rates going to fluctuate with the market ? What is the mechanism for this ?

That being said ...

This is the way things should be heading. You either buy the security you need to run your PI operation from Concorde or from other players.
Evil MacGyver
SHAD0W C0MMAND
#633 - 2011-12-02 10:01:19 UTC
So can I get a refund on my PI skillpoints so I can apply them to something useful?
Halloween Harry
Doomheim
#634 - 2011-12-02 10:43:42 UTC
CCP is trying to force players into low and 0.0 But forcing customers with practical constraints into 0.0 when they have a different style to play than 0.0 players will resulting into less active accounts. Customers can't be forced to something, they stop paying and this is threatening all of us with our play style.
Justin Cody
War Firm
#635 - 2011-12-02 11:00:43 UTC
Halloween Harry wrote:
CCP is trying to force players into low and 0.0 But forcing customers with practical constraints into 0.0 when they have a different style to play than 0.0 players will resulting into less active accounts. Customers can't be forced to something, they stop paying and this is threatening all of us with our play style.



Yes they can be forced into a different play style. This provides incentives to those pilots to move to low sec. Kinda like moving from a high taxed state to a low taxed one. Sure you might have some fewer services but you have the freedom to travel and make the best of both worlds.

go take a planet for yourself.

derp

that or gbtw
Klingon Admiral
Carcinisation
#636 - 2011-12-02 11:01:06 UTC
Well, why not introducing a skill that lowers taxes on NPC-owned Custom Offices?
Even make it a rank8 skill or something, CONCORD and Interbus know how to negotiate. =D

Would be a win-win situation for both parties, players that run PI would pay more "tolerable" taxes and because a PI-alt would take more time to train CCP would extract more money from the player.

Pre-Crucible, there were 3 mayor NPC-taxes/fees: NPC corp tax, refining tax (and refining waste by extension), sales tax/broker fee. Of those, the refining tax and the various market taxes are both affected by skills and/or standing.
The NPC corp tax was included to get people into player corps, so lowering it via skills would have been very, very illogical.

Of course, you could also make CO taxes dependent on standings torwards Concord/interbus, but that would (in my oppinion) disadvantage lowsec-players, as most of them have quite bad secstatus.

But in general, I agree with CCPs move to make PI more player-reliant, but the conjunction between the doubled tax and the massive increase in base value was in my oppinion a bit too much.
disasteur
disasterous industries
#637 - 2011-12-02 11:01:57 UTC
Chiralos wrote:
CCP should have made a larger announcement when they decided to change the tax rates from being based on the old fiat values to market-based one. Also - Concorde and Interbus tax rates going to fluctuate with the market ? What is the mechanism for this ?

That being said ...

This is the way things should be heading. You either buy the security you need to run your PI operation from Concorde or from other players.


they could have made a announcement of a mile long, fact is PI was a good income for many people who spend there time to perfect it, now come a official who says hey they make 90% profit? come on show me the figures

extracting was when introduced for the first time a bit of, it was easy and you made really good isk with it, then ccp came along and chanched it, it became a lot harder to extract, a lot quit extracting and went to the market to buy there P0/P1 or what ever P they needed and carry on with that... prices went up, but not a big deal there was a reasonable profit to gain with some market scooping and self extracting you could come a long way, so we made cash... thank god for us the carebears, now comes ccp and yet again they chanched it, lets bring the taxes up screw the highsec carebears once again. writing all this i ask.....

are CCP actually goons?
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#638 - 2011-12-02 11:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Vihura
All complaining about taxes are rateards just recalculate all prices and start sell at new price if you sell at old price you are dump as hell and you deserve to lose. Fuuck some people just don't want adapt and learn
disasteur
disasterous industries
#639 - 2011-12-02 11:28:11 UTC
Vihura wrote:
All complaining about taxes are rateards just recalculate all prices and start sell at new price if you sell at old price you are dump as hell and you deserve to lose. Fuuck some people just don't want adapt and learn


i could say your an idiot... but it wont... oops i just did but who cares
Tora Oni
Legendary Sidekicks in Space
#640 - 2011-12-02 11:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Oni
Madlof Chev wrote:
WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE. Just deal with your stupid problems and get on with it. Fly some spaceships instead or something, sheesh.
Just cause your brain cant handle the iq level of the problem, doesnt mean there is no problem P

And I am pro tax at 17%. This forces players to setup their own poco's, which gives EVE something extra. Like more PVP options near your poco's, hiring mercs if your corp isnt big enough to defend, setting up your own taxes, making profit from it etc etc...

It would have been better to slowly turn the tax up. Its the same as setting plex prices to 10B, without notice / detailed info.