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Josef Djugashvilis
#41 - 2014-04-27 17:04:28 UTC
I appreciate that the good folk at CCP have great ideas and visions of where they want the game to go, sometime soon.

But they need to actually deliver on some of them rather than just talking about their vision for Eve, you know, sometime soon.

Surely no one at CCP can look at last summers 'expansion' to exploration and not turn away with embarrassment.

Surely no one at CCP can look at the mess they have made constantly 'balancing' drones over the last 18 months and not feel embarrassed.

Ring mining etc? Sometime soon I guess.

I really want to support the game and pay for one account which basically just accumulates skill points, but it does help provide a bit of money for CCP.

But come on CCP, deliver.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#42 - 2014-04-27 17:04:44 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RAIN Arthie wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RAIN Arthie wrote:

Passion yes, I believe in business priciples as well. I believe the customers should get what they pay for. We have not. As far as concord, I was trying to underline the difficulty of a full scale eve online revolution.



Ok, but I pay to get a MMORPG set in space with a functioning economy and PvP and PvE content, plus the promise of expansions without cost.

What are you paying for that Im not?


I believe they have broken past "promises". So what illusion are we in?


I dont know what the second sentence means.

I dont pay for "promises", though I dont think Ive ever seen the words "We promise to deliver..." in any official CCP release because that would be stupid



Just explain how DUST and WIS was a victory.. Please :)


I cant explain something I dont agree with, dont believe is true and didnt bring up

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#43 - 2014-04-27 17:05:30 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Ring mining


http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120329100836/ryansean/images/e/ec/Teehee.png

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#44 - 2014-04-27 17:07:44 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
This is the fanfest where they anounce the game goes F2P!

We will need all ISD on standby when that happens!


EA will have their forum mods in place by then.



Someone else who realizes the truth.
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-04-27 17:08:31 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I appreciate that the good folk at CCP have great ideas and visions of where they want the game to go, sometime soon.

But they need to actually deliver on some of them rather than just talking about their vision for Eve, you know, sometime soon.

Surely no one at CCP can look at last summers 'expansion' to exploration and not turn away with embarrassment.

Surely no one at CCP can look at the mess they have made constantly 'balancing' drones over the last 18 months and not feel embarrassed.

Ring mining etc? Sometime soon I guess.

I really want to support the game and pay for one account which basically just accumulates skill points, but it does help provide a bit of money for CCP.

But come on CCP, deliver.



I like that "soon", "idea's and visions", that never come true.
Josef Djugashvilis
#46 - 2014-04-27 17:09:43 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Ring mining


http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120329100836/ryansean/images/e/ec/Teehee.png


Sad, but true.

And very funny Big smile

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#47 - 2014-04-27 17:28:58 UTC
Kellin Bauer wrote:
How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion? Given the death of one project the lukewarm reception of another and a resurgence in space combat sims competing with whatever Valkyrie will amount to. You think in an effort to entice new players and flesh out the world they might actually move away from methodically tuning the "core game" in favor of something more appealing to a general audience of gamers? Maybe announce some interesting integration with Valkyrie to set it apart from the competition?



Considering CCP hasn't put out and "Expansion" in 3 years, I seriously doubt they remember how to put one out at all...What?

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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#48 - 2014-04-27 18:23:35 UTC
Kellin Bauer wrote:
How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion? Given the death of one project the lukewarm reception of another and a resurgence in space combat sims competing with whatever Valkyrie will amount to. You think in an effort to entice new players and flesh out the world they might actually move away from methodically tuning the "core game" in favor of something more appealing to a general audience of gamers? Maybe announce some interesting integration with Valkyrie to set it apart from the competition?


Given that previous expansion was Rubicon and that they have registered trademark EVE: Legion, I would say that they plan to do it like Caesar.

To be more serious, I do not know.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#49 - 2014-04-27 20:06:56 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:

Given that previous expansion was Rubicon and that they have registered trademark EVE: Legion, I would say that they plan to do it like Caesar.


Getting stabbed to death by his son and fellow senators?

OMG, Dust bunnies and Valkyrie!

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#50 - 2014-04-27 22:40:04 UTC
TL;DR

I will actually read everything when i get a chance and reply again. But to the op.

ATM CCP is doing what they should of done 5+ years ago. And that is to fix or replace broken.unfinished content.

Before recently, CCP's game plan was to keep pumping out new features, a huge section of which were left unfinished. Here is a small list:

1) PoS system - was suppose to get some improvements over time, but did not happen. Now its too old to do anything with easily.

2) Sov system, was suppose to upgrade to eventually constellation and regional sov. It has had a few changes (more pos', now dominion) but it was never finished.

3) Constellation Sov. This was a hair brained idea about 7 years ago, it led to the excess amount of super caps we have today, was suppose to get new tools, but never finished and eventually killed

4) Dominion Sov. We were suppose to have new tools and upgrades over time, it was going to be a way that they could modify sov with ease.. bu it has not been touched since 2010.

5) FW, it took ccp like 3-4 years to even touch it.

6) PI - this was suppose to be why we wanted to use dust bunnies, and what we have now was suppose to be PI v1 with v2 coming soon(tm) 5 years or so later.... and its still a horrendous click fest.

7) Contract system, was suppose to be this awesome system where you could do treaties and things with it... but nope, never got a second look.

8) WH's, they were going to do more with T3 and WH's but nope..

9) Dust514 This one was suppose to me more then it is. I understand that ccp did not want to do a huge link, incase Dust died it could hurt eve. But as that was its main selling point, i think CCP dropped the ball. However, i have a feeling we will get some huge announcement about things with Dust that might improve it. But we will see.

CCP's new direction is smart, They have this goal of a huge change coming in 4 years now. But to get there they need to fix things that are left broken. CCP has a chance to take a step back and fix all the old crap, then drop us something huge and awesome. Will they? IDK. But atm they seem to be going in the right direction on most things.

What they SHOULD do, is take the risk. Make Dust more integrated into eve. Make us eve players really give a **** about the dust bunnies. Valk should be integrated heavily into eve. Eve should be the space mmo that we have all wanted. And i think they will do this, just not right away.

Valk either needs to be a stand alone game with no integration at all, or a deeply integrated game. Middle ground won;t work. I would start it as a stand alone and then in a few months to a year launch a link to eve online.

I also feel WiS needs to be relooked at, as honestly it could be the best way to link everything together. The station becomes the planning room/social gathering place. But thats me.

For now i personally think they are going down the right path. I'm super excited about the industry changes, and i think they are long over due.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#51 - 2014-04-27 22:53:19 UTC
I'll add one more thing.

With the ending of WoD, i thought ccp was being foolish. By having all the eggs in a single basket, its a huge risk. But honestly, i think CCP should take an even bigger risk. If they are going to work with just the EvE IP, then they need to make the greatest MMO ever conceived. All products linked together, on many platforms, and people can chose how they want to play eve. but everyone is playing eve.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Black Canary Jnr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2014-04-27 23:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Canary Jnr
Well, i like to think CCP has a list of stuff to do somewhat similar to this.

Fixes:
Poses
Old code
Stackless python stuff (big fleet fights)

Revamps:
Sov/ 0.0
low sec
indy
Ships (not many left)
Modules
Current missions/ pve
Wardecs (?)
incursions

New content:
Stargates
Pve
Ships

I probably missed some stuff but that list looks pretty short to me. Thinking the winter and next summer expansions are gonna be good.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-04-28 00:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Kellin Bauer wrote:
How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion? Given the death of one project the lukewarm reception of another and a resurgence in space combat sims competing with whatever Valkyrie will amount to. You think in an effort to entice new players and flesh out the world they might actually move away from methodically tuning the "core game" in favor of something more appealing to a general audience of gamers? Maybe announce some interesting integration with Valkyrie to set it apart from the competition?


Always thought that CCP made the biggest ass mistake of it's corporate life when it shitcanned WIS.

The potential was there for an awesome new dimension to EVE... and it got flushed.

Along came DUST. Ya, alrightey then... talk about something that needed flushing from "Day 1" when CCP had already made this massive and PUBLIC decision to devote themselves to "Spaceships, spaceships, spaceships".

It's too bad, too, because there is an awesome amount of art and world-crafting in DUST... and it would have looked just as awesome, where applicable, in EVE. Go figure.

Finally, the bronze medal, add all of the above to the recent whimpering demise of "WoD", and we have the

TRIFECTA OF FAIL.

So, how will CCP approach the next expansion?

I sincerely hope with as much PASSION and ENERGY and IMAGINATION as the game showed in the first five years.

Because that's what it's going take, and if that much isn't obvious, well, folks can speculate as they always do.

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#54 - 2014-04-28 00:42:28 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:

Always thought that CCP made the biggest ass mistake of it's corporate life when it shitcanned WIS purchased White Wolf.


FYP


As Willie Nelson once said: "21 million ain't much if you say it fast. "

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-04-28 00:45:52 UTC
As another poster mentioned, unless the costumer base does something a bit more drastic, CCP will continue on their path of doing "just enough" to get by. But in my opinion, how much of the costumer base accepts what CCP does because CCP is (currently?) the only game that has this "cold, hard core gaming universe". The costumer base uses the niche aspect as a badge of honor. "Compared to x game, we here at Eve are the worst of the worst! And we're proud of it!"

So until the costumer base has had enough, CCP will continue their current path.
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#56 - 2014-04-28 00:46:46 UTC
WOD needed to be put down when a modder of ARMA II could make Dayz in less than half the time ccp has been working on WOD.

Oh and since walk in stations has been forgotten about it's going to end up like the PoS code. no one will want to touch it.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#57 - 2014-04-28 02:49:27 UTC
Eve <-> Dust links

• Shared local/chat channel - Useless and pointless
• FW Terran planet modifiers - Useless and irrelevant
• Orbital bombardment (and killmails) - Useless and gimmick

After all the hype, time and effort put into it by CCP the intrinsic links between Eve and Dust are useless gimmicks - more a proof of technology concept that has no lasting value than adding fun inter-dependent gameplay.

Your idea (OP) that CCP should try to link Valkyrie to Eve is just silly. Given CCP's track record I'd expect CCP attempt it for PR purposes but them to fail hard at making any links actually meaningful.

- As for the next expansion, I've noticed that CCP appear to have chosen an industry expansion to use their UI and game design teams but it means they can leave their art department free to churn out more revenue generating "skins" for the NEx store.

Call me bittervet, but it appears to me, CCP are using this expansion more to squeeze revenue out of Eve like water from a drying sponge, rather than setting all teams to work on what actually players want and the game badly needs (Sov rework / POS / FW / Wardecs etc etc) and reinvesting in the future of the game.

This is not an Eve is dying bittervet post - I still think the game is better than anything else I've seen, but competition is growing and not sure how long Eve would drag on if a 'better' spaceship game does (inevitably) come along that took a chunk of players.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#58 - 2014-04-28 16:23:20 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
Eve <-> Dust links

• Shared local/chat channel - Useless and pointless
• FW Terran planet modifiers - Useless and irrelevant
• Orbital bombardment (and killmails) - Useless and gimmick

After all the hype, time and effort put into it by CCP the intrinsic links between Eve and Dust are useless gimmicks - more a proof of technology concept that has no lasting value than adding fun inter-dependent gameplay.

Your idea (OP) that CCP should try to link Valkyrie to Eve is just silly. Given CCP's track record I'd expect CCP attempt it for PR purposes but them to fail hard at making any links actually meaningful.

- As for the next expansion, I've noticed that CCP appear to have chosen an industry expansion to use their UI and game design teams but it means they can leave their art department free to churn out more revenue generating "skins" for the NEx store.

Call me bittervet, but it appears to me, CCP are using this expansion more to squeeze revenue out of Eve like water from a drying sponge, rather than setting all teams to work on what actually players want and the game badly needs (Sov rework / POS / FW / Wardecs etc etc) and reinvesting in the future of the game.

This is not an Eve is dying bittervet post - I still think the game is better than anything else I've seen, but competition is growing and not sure how long Eve would drag on if a 'better' spaceship game does (inevitably) come along that took a chunk of players.



I'll disagree, a lot of the things that have been touched have been in dire needs of revamps and relooks for years. Industry needed to be relooked at, it was a click fest and took too long to start jobs a lot of the time. Refining needed to be looked at, pos industry was in dire need of a fix.

I know a lot of people are disappointed that we are either 'not getting new stuff' or 'my pet peeve is not being addressed' But personally speaking, as a 10 year vet myself, I am EXTREMELY happy with the current course. Sure Rubicon did not have a 'omg that is amazing' feature, but I am having a blast playing with sypohons and the mobile depot. The previous pos changes, of making it so I can move stuff anywhere while in the shield and the personal hanger are a god send. CCP refocused on eve, in some aspects it could be a huge mistake. WoD could of brought them a ton of money, but they relooked at it something like 6 times and decided it was not going to work. Was it wasted dev time? Idk, we might see some of the tech used for it intergrated into eve. CCP is a company, and there is an old saying that says not to have all your eggs in one basket. CCP refocused on that Basket, and I think we will see huge improvements to Dust and Eve.

They are reinvesting in the future. As has been said many times, they can not change pos code without either a huge rewrite, or by uncoupling things linked to it. Thus the industry improvements will help modify that section of the pos code. Taking us one step closer to removing it.

As I said above, I think the current course is good. Dust and Valk and EvE have the potential to be something amazing. But CCP needs to capitalize on it. And stop dicking around. Take the damn risk and link everything in a way that we give a crap about the rest.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Veld San
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-04-29 11:48:40 UTC
Kellin Bauer wrote:
How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion? Given the death of one project the lukewarm reception of another and a resurgence in space combat sims competing with whatever Valkyrie will amount to. You think in an effort to entice new players and flesh out the world they might actually move away from methodically tuning the "core game" in favor of something more appealing to a general audience of gamers? Maybe announce some interesting integration with Valkyrie to set it apart from the competition?


Too passively on one hand, they arent doing enough to get more new people into the game and too agressively on the other, maybe its time to form an official new CCP department, The GPRU "Goon Patches 'R' Us".
Veld San
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-04-29 11:49:28 UTC
Veld San wrote:
Kellin Bauer wrote:
How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion? Given the death of one project the lukewarm reception of another and a resurgence in space combat sims competing with whatever Valkyrie will amount to. You think in an effort to entice new players and flesh out the world they might actually move away from methodically tuning the "core game" in favor of something more appealing to a general audience of gamers? Maybe announce some interesting integration with Valkyrie to set it apart from the competition?


Too passively on one hand, they arent doing enough to get more new people into the game and too agressively on the other, maybe its time to form an official new CCP department, The GPRU "Goon Patches 'R' Us".


Dang, wait, I think they already have one of these, just not officially announced yet ....