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Is this for metagame or evelore or both?

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Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
#1 - 2014-04-26 15:28:45 UTC
I am asking because it seems to me that there arent many posts about the fictionalized metagame and what happens between the real players. Just pure fiction or lore. What gives?
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#2 - 2014-04-27 00:21:56 UTC
Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:
I am asking because it seems to me that there arent many posts about the fictionalized metagame and what happens between the real players. Just pure fiction or lore. What gives?


This sub-forum? It's a bit of everything.

A lot of metagaming does take place within and without EVE. Many players will do their best to find a way to justify and explain it through the lore or in-game context in an attempt to protect the immersion factor.

The forum is also for discussing fan fiction or official fiction.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind

Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#3 - 2014-04-27 03:59:59 UTC
Because what happens between players is later always transformed into a laughable propaganda content without any sign of reliability. True Stories are very good example of this. Nobody except their own protagonists care about their "epic stories" -- because the other side always share a completely different view. There is nothing like a proper and reliable history (or journalism) of nullsec empires, no matter how many "sources" The Martini or Riverini provide. EVE: Source about players simply doesn't exist, no matter how hard you try. And why? Due to the very nature of EVE Online; everybody lies.

That's why the prime lore will always be the prime lore and nothing will ever change that. In a sandbox where everyone can do and say anything about everything, you cannot create an interesting, reliable history of what is happening. It is an anarchy. All you can do is pick one random biased view, backed by most players (aka their own protagonists). You could say the same thing about the real world, however there is a huge difference; in real world you can have many sources, completely outside of any story -- and independence of some of these sources (believe it or not) exist. In EVE, this is impossible, due to the nature of sandbox and, ironically, its limits.

Of course CCP will continue to say everything is player driven and all stories are made by their players, but that's just a marketing fluff, nothing else.

Hope this covers everything Smile

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
#4 - 2014-04-27 12:38:21 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
You could say the same thing about the real world, however there is a huge difference; in real world you can have many sources, completely outside of any story -- and independence of some of these sources (believe it or not) exist. In EVE, this is impossible, due to the nature of sandbox and, ironically, its limits.

Of course CCP will continue to say everything is player driven and all stories are made by their players, but that's just a marketing fluff, nothing else.
Smile


I am not sure I can agree fully with this. There are people who at least intend to be honest about stuff that happens. True, a story retold is going to be a little bit biased...if those stories are never retold though, no one will EVER know anything about what happened.

In the microcosm of Eve Online there are friendships, love, hate, betrayal, and real social disciplines such as leadership, networking, diplomacy, violence, conflict; all of those things. Of course some people allow themselves to fall victim to the wieght of this microcosm over prioritizing real life. But in such a microcosm the lessons learned that apply to the real world are invaluable. You cannot get that in any other sandbox or MMO.

I think that if your 'protagonist' is someone who is willing to admit their own failings, flaws, and challenges you are more likely to get an honest story...

If said protagonists portray themselves are flawless (like Mittani seems to have) you can bet your ass its biased, even if mostly true.

History IS written by the victors, and in Eve your not dead until you decide to permanently quit the game or completely purge your identity.
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#5 - 2014-04-27 14:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Caroline Grace
History used to be written by the victors, in present day much more people have access to much more information (through many channels, including internet for example) -- however EVE is nothing like that -- EVE is stuck in the middle age information distribution when comes to sharing events between players. Gossip, propaganda and lot of nonsense, that's what you will find. And you can't filter the lies out. For example, there is absolutely no chance you can monitor as an independent third party a big nullsec war; one of the reasons why you read on The Martini one thing and on the Riverini a different one. At the very same day about the very same story.

In any case, I yet have to meet a single person from nullsec empires who is honest about a single thing when comes to ~nullsec politics~. It's nothing else than garbage guided by egoistic maniacs who think of their own virtual reality importance. Also a reason why most of EVE players don't give a flying unicorn about nullsec politics. Ever.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
#6 - 2014-04-27 17:14:26 UTC
LOL well I understand your vitriol for nullsec politics.
We can say though that certain events DID happen; liek the battle of BR5, the war between test and goons and why, honeybadgers invasion of AAA, and of course the Great War involving Bob.
We can say with certainty that a BOB director helped to take them down. We can say for sure that BOB was not well liked...this is just the reality of it and I do not think it is biased.

BUT...never mind all that. There are a lot of things that happen which have nothing at all to do with big nullsec alliances or politics. Theres a lot that happens simply in highsec, not to mention wormholes and lowsec.

When I say meta-game or meta-game content I am referring to all of the random sandbox aspects that happen.

Besides, as far as biased go - well its all for entertainment purposes isnt it?
I do declare, Shakespear and Voltaire were biased!
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#7 - 2014-04-27 18:10:50 UTC
Well, of course. But your original question was why is there only (or mainly) prime lore discussed and not what happens between the real players as well. And although such stories are all for entertainment purposes as well, for reasons I have mumbled above, they are not and (imo) will not ever be present here.

Smile

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
#8 - 2014-04-27 19:29:28 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
Well, of course. But your original question was why is there only (or mainly) prime lore discussed and not what happens between the real players as well. And although such stories are all for entertainment purposes as well, for reasons I have mumbled above, they are not and (imo) will not ever be present here.

Smile


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