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How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion?
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Claud Tiberius
#21 - 2014-04-27 15:25:27 UTC
Kellin Bauer wrote:
How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion?



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Jokes :P I have no idea. Better to critic the expansion when its released...

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2014-04-27 15:27:16 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:

CCP seems to me to somehow unable to create & finish any big projects anymore, like worm holes or the Trinity expansion, because somehow even with all the developers at their hand they no longer can do that. Heck they're unable to put up a single station in game to honor those that have been playing their game for 10 years in a years time.


O.o you have seen into the future and are blaming them for not doing a thing in a year's time?

Pak Narhoo wrote:
Looking at how WoD got canned, 8 years (EIGHT YEARS) of development and investment

Ill accept that you may have more information on this but I thought it was less than four. More like two.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-04-27 15:29:24 UTC
This is the fanfest where they anounce the game goes F2P!

We will need all ISD on standby when that happens!

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2014-04-27 15:31:04 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Looking at how WoD got canned, 8 years (EIGHT YEARS) of development and investment

Ill accept that you may have more information on this but I thought it was less than four. More like two.

Depends on what you put into the notion of “x years of development”. It was first announced in 2006. There have been various snippets of tech demos and concepts shown off on pretty much a yearly basis ever since. The question is how much of it was actually scuttled and how much went into and/or was shared with various other projects.
Kellin Bauer
The Deftly Departed
#25 - 2014-04-27 15:31:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kellin Bauer
I'm obviously a new player so I can't attest to the rich history of disappointment you veterans are always citing. I see EVE as something entirely unique to gaming in general, and I really think if it was squandered it would be a tragedy. I've noticed that when CCP is mentioned in a thread its quickly followed by some snide quips that may be entirely justified, but the negativity stings me a little because even as a 10 year old title I still see so much promise in it, and that in itself makes it uniquely wonderful in a way. Not to say as a subscription title your voices aren't relevant and your complaints aren't necessary in shaping it.
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-04-27 15:39:30 UTC
Kellin Bauer wrote:
I'm obviously a new player so I can't attest to the rich history of disappointment you veterans are always citing. I see EVE as something entirely unique to gaming in general, and I really think if it was squandered it would be a tragedy. I've noticed that when CCP is mentioned in a thread its quickly followed by some snide quips that may be entirely justified, but the negativity stings me a little because even as a 10 year old title I still see so much promise in it, and that in itself makes it uniquely wonderful in a way. Not to say as a subscription title your voices aren't relevant and your complaints aren't necessary in shaping it.


We veterans are dissapointed for the new players. We love seeing new players come in but once you get going you soon find out how limited things really are.
Tweek Etimua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-04-27 15:53:21 UTC
Kellin Bauer wrote:
How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion? Given the death of one project the lukewarm reception of another and a resurgence in space combat sims competing with whatever Valkyrie will amount to. You think in an effort to entice new players and flesh out the world they might actually move away from methodically tuning the "core game" in favor of something more appealing to a general audience of gamers? Maybe announce some interesting integration with Valkyrie to set it apart from the competition?

Like any company would. Ignore it. It will be at fanfest and they'll give us a wallpaper and a theme for the next expansion. Try to show us how "great" dust is becoming, how Valkyrie will be as cookie cutter space sim as they come and how eve intergration is much further down the road (aka never).

My expectations are low.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#28 - 2014-04-27 15:54:57 UTC
Expect nothing, you won't be disappointed.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#29 - 2014-04-27 16:07:05 UTC
You know, I was thinking about it myself

Some people point out that EvE Expansions are quite limited, and fair enough I see where they are coming from.

But did anyone ever livethrough a WoW Expansion?

£20 to have ALL the content you used to like messed with, a new, disgusting unsightly continent full of 1000 extra grindy reppy "Collect 1,000,000 Ocelot Bums and the wing of a bee" quests and several retardedly easy dungeons

Oh, and accelerate all new players to get tot the new area as fast as possible so they dont see the archaic old areas.

Seriously, Id much rather have CCP-do-nothing than Blizzard-wreck-everything

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-04-27 16:10:37 UTC
They seldom tell the whole truth. I wonder if the eve community will ever get fed up enough to stage a major event to kick CCP in the pants? I mean quitting makes you 1 in hundreds of thousands who play this game. If you could band people together enough to damage the entire game to wake them up, then "maybe" they would understand our dissatisfaction. I'm not sure what the burn jita events made happen, but an event to shake them enough to start caring about the players again, would require almost everyone meeting in one place and breaking stuff. Melting servers, POS's getting dropped in a matter of minutes, stations down in minutes, system stuffing with major major Tidi, pulling ships out of station and leaving them float, large gangs shooting down concorde. Then at the end of it all, have everyone removing one alt per person from the game. The Goons, PL, IRC, and everyone comming together and breaking stuff <-- That is what it may take to wake them up and give us the eve we need.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#31 - 2014-04-27 16:21:39 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
They seldom tell the whole truth. I wonder if the eve community will ever get fed up enough to stage a major event to kick CCP in the pants? I mean quitting makes you 1 in hundreds of thousands who play this game. If you could band people together enough to damage the entire game to wake them up, then "maybe" they would understand our dissatisfaction. I'm not sure what the burn jita events made happen, but an event to shake them enough to start caring about the players again, would require almost everyone meeting in one place and breaking stuff. Melting servers, POS's getting dropped in a matter of minutes, stations down in minutes, system stuffing with major major Tidi, pulling ships out of station and leaving them float, large gangs shooting down concorde. Then at the end of it all, have everyone removing one alt per person from the game. The Goons, PL, IRC, and everyone comming together and breaking stuff <-- That is what it may take to wake them up and give us the eve we need.


I can see you are passionate, but I dont really understand about what.

Oh, and as far as I know its not possible to effectively "beat" CONCORD

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-04-27 16:35:13 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RAIN Arthie wrote:
They seldom tell the whole truth. I wonder if the eve community will ever get fed up enough to stage a major event to kick CCP in the pants? I mean quitting makes you 1 in hundreds of thousands who play this game. If you could band people together enough to damage the entire game to wake them up, then "maybe" they would understand our dissatisfaction. I'm not sure what the burn jita events made happen, but an event to shake them enough to start caring about the players again, would require almost everyone meeting in one place and breaking stuff. Melting servers, POS's getting dropped in a matter of minutes, stations down in minutes, system stuffing with major major Tidi, pulling ships out of station and leaving them float, large gangs shooting down concorde. Then at the end of it all, have everyone removing one alt per person from the game. The Goons, PL, IRC, and everyone comming together and breaking stuff <-- That is what it may take to wake them up and give us the eve we need.


I can see you are passionate, but I dont really understand about what.

Oh, and as far as I know its not possible to effectively "beat" CONCORD



Passion yes, I believe in business priciples as well. I believe the customers should get what they pay for. We have not. As far as concord, I was trying to underline the difficulty of a full scale eve online revolution.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-04-27 16:39:29 UTC
Kellin Bauer wrote:
How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion? Given the death of one project the lukewarm reception of another and a resurgence in space combat sims competing with whatever Valkyrie will amount to. You think in an effort to entice new players and flesh out the world they might actually move away from methodically tuning the "core game" in favor of something more appealing to a general audience of gamers? Maybe announce some interesting integration with Valkyrie to set it apart from the competition?

I hope they have a plan and they work diligently to complete it.....instead of doing the "political" thing, sticking a finger in the air and deciding where to go based on the loudest voices.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#34 - 2014-04-27 16:43:34 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
This is the fanfest where they anounce the game goes F2P!

We will need all ISD on standby when that happens!


EA will have their forum mods in place by then.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#35 - 2014-04-27 16:43:42 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:

Passion yes, I believe in business priciples as well. I believe the customers should get what they pay for. We have not. As far as concord, I was trying to underline the difficulty of a full scale eve online revolution.



Ok, but I pay to get a MMORPG set in space with a functioning economy and PvP and PvE content, plus the promise of expansions without cost.

What are you paying for that Im not?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-04-27 16:53:59 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RAIN Arthie wrote:

Passion yes, I believe in business priciples as well. I believe the customers should get what they pay for. We have not. As far as concord, I was trying to underline the difficulty of a full scale eve online revolution.



Ok, but I pay to get a MMORPG set in space with a functioning economy and PvP and PvE content, plus the promise of expansions without cost.

What are you paying for that Im not?


I believe they have broken past "promises". So what illusion are we in?
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-04-27 16:59:44 UTC
I don't invest in promises, I invest in guarantees. WIS never happen, DUST 514 flopped, insert other empty talk ( ) <--here.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-04-27 17:00:33 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RAIN Arthie wrote:

Passion yes, I believe in business priciples as well. I believe the customers should get what they pay for. We have not. As far as concord, I was trying to underline the difficulty of a full scale eve online revolution.



Ok, but I pay to get a MMORPG set in space with a functioning economy and PvP and PvE content, plus the promise of expansions without cost.

What are you paying for that Im not?


I believe they have broken past "promises". So what illusion are we in?


I dont know what the second sentence means.

I dont pay for "promises", though I dont think Ive ever seen the words "We promise to deliver..." in any official CCP release because that would be stupid

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-04-27 17:03:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RAIN Arthie wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
RAIN Arthie wrote:

Passion yes, I believe in business priciples as well. I believe the customers should get what they pay for. We have not. As far as concord, I was trying to underline the difficulty of a full scale eve online revolution.



Ok, but I pay to get a MMORPG set in space with a functioning economy and PvP and PvE content, plus the promise of expansions without cost.

What are you paying for that Im not?


I believe they have broken past "promises". So what illusion are we in?


I dont know what the second sentence means.

I dont pay for "promises", though I dont think Ive ever seen the words "We promise to deliver..." in any official CCP release because that would be stupid



Just explain how DUST and WIS was a victory.. Please :)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#40 - 2014-04-27 17:03:57 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
I don't invest in promises, I invest in guarantees. WIS never happen, DUST 514 flopped, insert other empty talk ( ) <--here.

I dont consider paying to have access to a video game world an investment so maybe thats the difference

as WiS was never a thing that existed when I started playing, and I dont own a PS3, I can say I did not pay for the "promise" of those things either

Also, I dont think they said "We promise DUST will be a big success"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann