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CCP is lucky because SWTOR is SO MUCH FAIL.

very very lucky indeed.

I would have post something similar, but I would must better call the carebares Justin Bieber lovers b/c they dont want to get their feet out of the shallow end. Take your drama lamas and STFU. If you really are planning on quiting, please send me a message with the account login and password, I'd hate for such easy ISK to go to waste.

There not going to do it for fun. The power blocks will do it to Monoplize PI. When they fig out how all the cards are in there hands and learn to pull the new strings handed to them.

I think this is true for most of EvE's existance. EvE is a unique game, it found an uneasy balance between the 'all null' style PvP that the original developers craved, and the 'all safe' PvE that tends to bring in enough players to keep such a system profitable. I think they have done an OK job striking this balance, BUT they have really benefited from the fact no one else has put up any real competition to the. The number of people interested in a game like this is fairly (relative to other MMOs) small... a real contender, competition that could actually draw off significant numbers of those niche players, would really change things.

Yes, it's a concern, but there are several factors working against a Null Sec entity wishing to corner PI production.

1: The sheer number of Low Sec planets involved that would have to be laboriously attacked, reinforced, and attacked again.
2: The sheer number of Null Sec planets that would need to be developed first before such a plan would be realistically considered as a next step.
3: The fact that their hands are going to be very full in their own back yard in a few months when DUST is released and PI has influence in how their own Sov is gained and lost.

The interesting thing about this is, and this is all conjecture, but after DUST is released we may find that it turns out to be the great equalizer between powerful Null Sec entities and High Sec industrialists when discussing PI. I won't go into that any further, as at this time it is pointless to do more than make educated guesses, but it is entirely possible that a high sec player or group could make life very uncomfortable for Null Sec entities wishing to keep not only their PI industries but their own Sov completely bulletproof.

WOW so much rage here,
let me put it to you all this way, higher taxes based on more current market valuation (read more accurate at last) and everyones ready to throw in the towel on PI? I call BS on that, do what every other buisness does, pas the cost on down the chain to the end consumer, all that isk generated by incursions has to be sucked up somewhere, and CCP knows they don't want to **** off everyone doing incursions right now.

Some here have complained especially about the higher teirs of PI costing even more, and to that i have this response, Ferrari pays luxury taxes and gas guzzler taxes to import their cars into the united states, but i'd far rather be a ferrari dealer dureing a recession then a ford dealer dureing a boom simply due to the profit margins,

Other thing people failed to consider, PI cost will MASSIVELY raise the cost of outpost deployment, which in my opinion will be a very good thing.

My final note, I hope that many of you who are shedding so many tears here do quit PI (or eve your choice) becuase it just means more iskies in my nullsec, POCO busting, pos fueling, POS owning wallet.

Well ... looks like I'm just going to let my stuff sit until all this gets sorted out.

But - I will say that this is typical hypocrisy on the part of computer game developers.

CCP - is not the first company to say they were creating a free form game environment. They're also not the first to lie about it.

The game company has a concept of how they want to game to proceed - and they design the rules to try to FORCE players to play the way they want them to.

All the changes you see here are designed to:

1) Force people to leave Hi Sec

2) Force people into larger corporations ... because smaller ones will just get lunched in Lo Sec and can't even exist in Null Sec without the permission of an alliance.


Typically - neither of those two things is going to happen.

PI in Hi Sec may well become unprofitable - in which case the people in Hi Sec doing it now - will go do something else in Hi Sec. If they had wanted to go to Lo Sec - they'd already be there.

The corporations doing PI in Lo & Null Sec will take over PI production - but - their numbers will NOT be swelled by a sudden influx of people leaving smaller corporations just so they can do Lo/Null Sec PI. The people who are in smaller corporations - are mostly in them because they'd rather run their own corporation or be in one where they had a real voice - than be nobodies in a large corporation who have someone else telling them what to do. No amount of incentive is going to change that.

Nothing is going to make people who live in Hi Sec (the majority of the players) go to Lo or Null Sec.

Making PI untenable in Hi Sec will merely drive them to do something else.

Make no mistake about this - NOTHING - is going to get people who want to play in Hi Sec to go down to Lo Sec - NOTHING. You might get them to quit the game - but you're NOT going to get them to leave Hi Sec any other way.

However, - CCP - just as ... say ... SOE ... has done - please feel free to **** up your game as much as you like trying to get people to do things they are NOT going to do.




Now - regardless - CCP is a bunch of lying assholes for TELLING US that the taxes would only double. The word Double has a specific meaning - and we all know what it is. It doesn't mean something fluctuates with market prices, it doesn't mean anything other than X 2. If you didn't mean DOUBLE than you shouldn't have ******* said DOUBLE.

I for one ... would not have just spent a bunch of time and money training characters in PI and establishing PI colonies. I did all that after the POCCO announcement - because I believed (yes - I was stupid) what CCP said. I figured ... "OK ... it'll go up but it won't be so bad."

If you - CCP - have done anything other than WHAT YOU ******* SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO ... it means that at best - you're incompetent. Where I went to college - Computer Science was part of the Math Department ... last I checked ... people competent at math - understand what DOUBLE means.



It's your game CCP - you are free to be hypocritical and continue to blather on, lying about a Sand Box - when what you (like other computer game companies do) is try to force the players to play the way they want them to - but - you should at least expect to get called on it - when you don't seem to under stand the meaning of the word DOUBLE.


Now ... personally ... I said this whole POCCO thing was stupid from the beginning and that it would fail. I've been right about things like that ... a lot ... but I've been wrong too. So we'll just have to see how this all works out ...

I don't think I'm going to be doing all that much PI until then though ...

Looking on the bright side ... well ... for me anyway ... at least I didn't sink as much money into it as some people have. I don't really give a **** ... I've pissed away a lot more time and money than this on stupid ideas that were entirely my own. If I was one of the guys who really bit big on PI ... I'd be pissed.

*shrug*

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CCP can win by introducing new features that are as widely accepted as most of the Crucible content that isn't POCOs.

I'd love to see the specifications of the changes.

When determining the market values for taxation I hope you keep in mind that the market price equals raw value + tax expense. That means you should probably subtract the old taxes before using market values for adjustments, otherwise you put taxes on taxes and will create a tax raise at each adjustment.


Before this change I thought that the value of the PI goods was set deliberately low to take into account the fact that PI tariffs are basically transaction taxes and can be taxed several times. Market tax is at 1% a relatively low value because those are transaction taxes and can happen several times. Bounty tax is 11% a much higher value because this is income tax and can only happen once. In light of this the PI tariffs seems exceptionally high. According to my sense of logic and immersion, NPC tariffs should be somewhere between these two numbers, higher than market tax because there is an upper limit to the number of tax events, but lower than bounty taxes.

They have replied - front page of eve:

"Our developers have confirmed that the tax rates match the design specifications."

Nothing about how they lied after stating in every dev blog AND the patch notes the increase was doubling what we paid before. Just insulting mumbo gumbo.

All they seem to want now is to stop having to deal with petitions on it, not addressing the fact they lied or purposely withheld the true changes they knew they were inflicting on us... for DUST. Eve pays again for another of their game ideas. Didn't they just recently apologize for this ****?

OLD CCP IS BACK already it seems.

I myself and those I know are submitting petitions to demand accountability if only thru the nightmare of having to reply to each of us - as they DESERVE. Something that effects THEM instead of US.