EVE General Discussion

Hmm... lets check the numbers because I was talking from memory and I think I was wrong:

Today Garde IIs:

Base damage: 50 thermal
Damage multiplier: 1.96

So base damage output: 98 thermal (50*1.96)

Tomorrow's Garde IIs - (based on the spreadsheet released in the blog)

Base damage: 64 thermal
Damage multiplier: 1.7
Benefit from up to 10% bonus from gallente drone specialisation V.

So base damage output: 119.68 thermal (64*1.7*1.1)

Now I might have my formulas wrong - but it looks to me as if the Garde IIs are actually getting a potential 20% damage BOOST in the summer (but it's more dependent on skills than today). Even without the drone specs you will still be doing 108.8 base damage which is an improvement over what we have today.

Good fun all round or did I completely miss something?

These numbers assume max skills:

Curator I - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +18.15% damage
Warden I - +40% falloff, +12% damage
Garde I - +50% falloff, +2% damage
Bouncer I - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, +2.86% damage

Curator II - +15% tracking, -50% falloff, +8.31% damage
Warden II - +40% falloff, +2.67% damage
Garde II - +50% falloff, -6.5% damage
Bouncer II - +60% tracking, -12.5% optimal, +14.3% falloff, -5.71% damage

Been out of game for a while and recently returned, so had a load of changes to catch up on. Last night I couldn't at first work out why my Garde II's couldn't actually hit a single blasted thing, so I had to do a bit of research and discovered the Omnidirectional Tracking Link changes.

Cripes! After nine years of Eve on and off I've seen plenty of stuff nerfed, but never have I seen anything nerfed to such complete and utter pointlessness before.

Pre sentry nerf, Garde II's on a non-bonused ship with my (reasonable) drone skills had an optimal of 30k, which with 2 T2 Omnis went up to 45k. Considering that you've devoted two entire mid slots to it that doesn't seem remotely OP to me, especially when you consider that the sentries are static (and so by definition are really only useful for sniping), and that they're a BS class weapon and many NPC battleships don't even approach to within 45k anyway.

Post sentry nerf, same dual omni setup, my Garde II's now have an optimal of 34k unscripted, or 38.9k double range scripted. Their optimal was already pretty crap, 38.9k is sufficiently crap as to verge on pointlessness.

That's wtf number one.

Wtf number two is what the hell have they done to Federation Navy Omnis!

T2 Omnis used to give a 25% buff, Fed Navy's used to give 30%, that's an increase of 20% over the T2's, not too shabby, a faction module that's actually worth a damn. But not any more. Now the T2's give a 7.5% optimal buff, and the Fed Navy's give only 8%. Are you *&@$ing kidding me? A 0.5% bonus! For real? That's totally pointless! What the Jesus munching heckfire are you guys smoking over there!

it used to be the case that Fed Navy Omni's used to add a significant amount of optimal, for unbonused ships they were really what made using Gardes even viable in the first place. Now, two of them, double range scripted, give me a grand total of... wait for it.

600m

Yes, you read it right, 600m extra optimal!

Well for 60m isk that's just an utter joke and there's obviously no point fitting them over T2 at all anymore. It's also hard to see how Gardes could ever be even remotely viable on shield tanking ships anymore.

From what I can gather the sentries were nerfed because apparently when you have 200 Archons use them against an enemy they tend to do rather a lot of damage. Well guess what. If you have 200 of anything, all shooting at one other thing, then no matter what the shooting thing is, the thing being shot at isn't going to like it! I believe it was for similar reasons that Drakes and HML's were nerfed.

The problem with this is that if every ship/weapon in Eve is going to be balanced on the basis of how good it is when 200 of them are used in coordinated PvP to shoot at one other thing, then pretty soon there will be nothing left that's any good for PvE either.

I've heard rumours that the Gila is going to be nerfed to hell as well and lose a tonne of bandwidth.

Bloody hell :-(

Does anyone else thing this is too much? Is there some new mechanism to offset these changes that I've missed? If not then I think Fed Navy Omni's should be returned to 20% better than T2 just to make them worth fitting at all.

Ah, and another one of the silent majority speaks up.

Actually I see
Now 50 * 2{drone int} * 1.25 {sentry drone} * 1.96 multi = 245.
Nerfed 64 * 1.5 * 1.25 * 1.7 * 1.1 racial skill = 224

It's actually a 8.4% Nerf.

Edit: unless the actual multiplier is 1.7354 then it's only 6.5% Nerf.

OP must have forgot about that module called Stasis Webifier, which will magically make his gardes hit again!