EVE General Discussion

You'll find that most of the WiS fetishists didn't play Eve before Incarna.

HI there im not new to eve.... And yes What they release as expansions are a joke... a intern that has been working for 6 months could do what they have released... Umm Pve i prob have done enough pvp to maybe get level 2s..... PvE really isn't why i play eve Gate camping you in 0.0 then blowing you up is fun to me...

At the same time i also see the potential of WiS......

You don't understand content do you.... Your one of those special flowers.. Let me dumb it down for you...

New expansion with new expansion there could be more area's of 0.0 wormhole space so on... Content doesn't mean scripted....

New colored ships dont = content i could do that in 10 mins in photoshop.

Get it or do i need to type slower for you?

Your point was in response to me saying that EVE was not a sandbox game. I assumed that your post was showing me how it was a sandbox game. I made the counter post to show that the same thing is possible in WoW which is overwhelmingly thought of as a theme park. My point was that your messing around in EVE and my fictitious messing around in WoW are identical and so they cannot be actions which are indicative of either a sandbox or a theme park.

Its entirely possible to link an first person ambulation type game to EvE online because that's what CCP have already done with Dust. Since the concept has been proven I think its not possible to say with any truth that "You wont be able to do all that crazy **** with WIS that you could do in WOW by any means".

They have a lot more experience with first person, they have working code from multiple games. I think if they implemented even basic WIS and put a few tasty carrots in there (like casino's and player shops (Aur based materials for crafting Isk or Aur based vanity items)) and also tied it in with faction warfare so that faction warfare dominance controls casino profits and WiS content it'd really draw in a lot more subs.

You will never see walking in station in eve.

Two corp run storefronts across the mall from each other and they are at war. Will there be no weapons? will there be a constant firefight from one store turned into a bunker to another and the passersby will just have to low crawl by.

great fun in the casino playing craps and get shanked by a WT.

Are the great mechanics of the CQ what we can expect FPS in stations to be like?

They cannot overcome the thousands of problems WIS will bring with it, so it will never happen. I doubt WIS is even on a back burner.

It is not a bad subject, just few of the same people keep commenting on it. It is most likely going to be separate game but interconnected with EVE to not cause any conflicts with players who don't want this. Plus making it exactly within EVE client is not the best way. The team Avatar started on prototyping and testing for 2 years (from 2012) as they mentioned for what would be the best way to do this to make it fun and meaningful avatar gameplay. It will eventually come, and I reckon it is going to be great. The EVE Online itself might be about "just spaceships" how some people say (which it isn't of course), but the EVE Universe is about much more.

You do realize that the person you are replying to hasn’t been active in forums at all for three months? So... doesn't seem to be going on and on at least there..

Hah the wonders of thread necroing.

Multiple thread locks?
ibtlibtlibtl racking up ibtl score.
something about redundant threads or something.
And there is already an active WiS thread as it is, not counting this necromotion

As you did not post a quote or provide any specificity to your sort of sentence, I am not aware to whom your refer.

I am not referring to the posted quote any further.

Earlier, I posted with only reading the last three pages of the thread. Since that time I have gone through the entire thread and found the last three pages are mostly the same snipey or science minded comments, made by the same snipey or science minded people about the same topic with little progress on either side in either altering the other's viewpoint or altering the snipey personal attacks which happen in a debate when one side has nothing to really contribute to an honest debate.

I found a comment I should be quoting which referred to avatars not having anything to do which cannot already be done now. I found that concept to be the crux of the issue as I see it. It seems if avatars will have a purpose and role not already provided, then they will need new skills in skill sets which are not available now. I can trade without an avatar and am not sure how an avatar will improve any of the things I do now either in or out of a ship. I have found a great deal of interconnectedness or satisfying social discourse in several player chats. First was the corp chat with the people I originally joined with and knew each one of them years before Eve was a good idea on a cocktail napkin. Later was Incursions but that was transient, now it is, oddly enough, Blink, where gambling really takes a back seat to most discussions. There are those you will want to block wherever you go.

I am not against WIS, but it would only interest me if it had a purpose. The CQ has no purpose other than a different view of the ships in the station and the ability to amble around a confined space and do everything I can do without being in the CQ with grand exceptions of sitting on a couch and looking in a mirror.

The argument of whether CCP has a position on WIS and what it might be is kind of answered with, as CCP's CEO stated when we were all shooting the statue (I never really shot the statue as it seemed only to be an act of people combining their actions to demonstrate like mindedness and I was demonstrating mine with comments from my characters) The CEO stated, "let's see what they do, not just what they say" and after a period of watching, they capitulated.

I've been watching what CCP has been doing about ambulation since I birthed my first character in November 2003. There hasn't been much to see.

On the techincal side of it, only four, or maybe more for player owned stations, sets of interiors of stations need to be created and could be nothing more than a few wide passageways with differently purposed rooms on each side to be used as stores, bars, discos, etc.

What I see as the difficulty is what I referred to in my original post. How will avatars at war brush elbows? How will stores run by corps at war treat their customers and neighbors who happen to be WTs? Will Concord be walking beats? Will ships occupied by capsuleers with low standings be allowed to dock at NPC stations as they do now to avoid Concord? what will be the smoking policy? There are probably as many questions like these as there are players and CCP can easily see these same problems and we all know CCP is not fast at making decisions, at least not fast at making good decisions.

I mentioned being science minded earlier and to head off attacks on that, I will explain what I mean as that term may have different meanings in different cultures. I my culture and in US academia, being science minded is when a person meets the criteria for doing things following a scientific method. First comes the hypothesis and then comes the open minded research to prove or disprove the hypothesis, statistics are used correctly, a cogent discussion of the salient points is made and then the conclusion which explains why the hypothesis is held or discarded. Finally, one writes the abstract which is a long paragraph that is like an executive summary of the following several dozen pages. An old and perhaps still current practice of doctoral candidates who graduated was to place a denomination of currency in somewhere in the dissertation copy which becomes a document in the university library and if ever on campus again, to see if anyone has read your dissertation as the money will be gone or doubled and perhaps redoubled depending on the worthiness found by any readers.

Certainly one thing a scientific mind is definetly not about is first forming an opinion, then researching only why you are right and discarding any research which disturbs your predetermined opinion. Dissertations have nearly every sentence followed with a citation. Depending on your committee, if you make a statement about a sunrise, you'd better have science to back up the reality of a sunrise. Anything other than peer reviewed journals, such as the Journal of Anthropology found here:
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/janthro/
is often considered, as one member of my committee scrawled across the page with the quote and his circle in red around the citation, "Quote Science, not yellow journalism". I suspect he is the only person in the world who ever referred to anything written by Virginia Satire as "yellow journalism" but what I was quoting was from one of the many books she wrote as textbooks for post graduate study in psychology, psychiatry, counseling or human functioning in groups of humans. As well and fine as her research was in the writing of her books, it was not a peer reviewed journal.

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(1) Technically, no. Its a common misconception.

(2) Technically, yes, though Id say as a space-based MMORPG its more about interacting with other humans, but arguable too.

(3) You leave your ship unattended in HighSec? Maybe in a POS bubble. MAYBE.