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The obvious

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#101 - 2014-04-26 21:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
I do feel sorory for you people so scared to death of AFk cloakers in null.

When I feel like being in an upgraded system to rat and there is some afk cloaker there, I do this:

[Typhoon, screw U AFKguy]
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Inertia Stabilizers II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Micro Jump Drive
'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Medium Shield Booster II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Curator II x4

(About 800 dps out to 60km, less than 200 mil for the whole thing)


Mainly because EVE online is a game for people who can THINK. The people who can't think run to the forums and ask CCP to fix things for them.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#102 - 2014-04-26 21:58:51 UTC
Did... did he actually just ask for Trammel? Did I seriously see that?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2014-04-26 22:00:37 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Did... did he actually just ask for Trammel? Did I seriously see that?



Yes. That is exactly what he asked for.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#104 - 2014-04-26 22:02:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Did... did he actually just ask for Trammel? Did I seriously see that?



Just ignore LHA Tarawa. He's risk averse and uses it as his justification to request changes from CCP to cater to his preferred method of game play.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#105 - 2014-04-26 22:15:22 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Did... did he actually just ask for Trammel? Did I seriously see that?


Yap, everyone that played UO saw that one clear as day.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#106 - 2014-04-26 22:34:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Warp Core Stabilizer I
Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I.


Just so as you know, your advice on this saved a Blops I knew once

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#107 - 2014-04-26 22:38:36 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Did... did he actually just ask for Trammel? Did I seriously see that?




For a second I thought you meant

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/90927-sam-tramiel-interview-next-generation-1995/

MURDERER of Atari

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#108 - 2014-04-26 22:44:26 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


He's risk averse and uses it as his justification to request changes from CCP to cater to his preferred method of game play.


Divine Entervention wrote:


I've proven why AFK cloaking needs to be removed from the game.

All that's left now is getting this pushed up to CCP so they can begin implementing the mechanism necessary to prevent a cloaker from remaining cloaked while AFK.



You really need to just biomass yourself, and if you dont, please register your API, so I can laugh harder when you get blown up.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2014-04-26 23:02:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I
Mainly because EVE online is a game for people who can THINK. The people who can't think run to the forums and ask CCP to fix things for them.


EVE should be a game for people who are ACTUALLY sitting at the keyboard playing.


And, basically, what you call "thinking" is being less profitable than high sec, and risking losing a ship to strealth bomber hot drop, sending up a red flag to anyone that has access to a kill board, EASY KILLS HERE, COME CAMP IT SOME MORE!

I'd love to see your exhumer fit for a cloaky camped system.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#110 - 2014-04-26 23:04:53 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:

EVE should be a game for people who are ACTUALLY sitting at the keyboard playing.


And, basically, what you call "thinking" is being less profitable than high sec, and risking losing a ship to strealth bomber hot drop, sending up a red flag to anyone that has access to a kill board, EASY KILLS HERE, COME CAMP IT SOME MORE!

I'd love to see your exhumer fit for a cloaky camped system.


Did you look at the fit posted or did you guess what it was?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2014-04-26 23:09:03 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


He's risk averse and uses it as his justification to request changes from CCP to cater to his preferred method of game play.


Divine Entervention wrote:


I've proven why AFK cloaking needs to be removed from the game.

All that's left now is getting this pushed up to CCP so they can begin implementing the mechanism necessary to prevent a cloaker from remaining cloaked while AFK.



You really need to just biomass yourself, and if you dont, please register your API, so I can laugh harder when you get blown up.



He thinks is argument about AFK cloaky streaming is win and my argument about shutting doewn entire systems is fail.

For some reason, he thinks the opinion of other players here is the least bit important. It is not.

The opinion that is important is CCP, and their concerned about one thing, REVENUE.

No one is going to unsub because it is possibel to AFK live stream while cloaky camped.

Players DO quit because they get sick and tired of the cloaky camper BS, and being ABSOLUTELY POWERLESS to do anything about it..... and we "just know" that player is nto really sitting at his keyboard 23.5/7 waiting for someone to undock, yet we HAVE to assume he may be active at any given moment...

And it is MOTHER FKN INSANE that he can do this without even being at his computer.

What is SOOOOOO bad about expecting them to actually have to click a mouse or press a buttom a handfull of times an hour?

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2014-04-26 23:13:42 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:

EVE should be a game for people who are ACTUALLY sitting at the keyboard playing.


And, basically, what you call "thinking" is being less profitable than high sec, and risking losing a ship to strealth bomber hot drop, sending up a red flag to anyone that has access to a kill board, EASY KILLS HERE, COME CAMP IT SOME MORE!

I'd love to see your exhumer fit for a cloaky camped system.


Did you look at the fit posted or did you guess what it was?



Yes, I looked. Heavily stabbed phoon with auto-target cruise....

No way, with the spread DPS are you being as profitable as high sec, and I don't care how many stabs you have when the cloaky drops a dictor bubble and then the cyno goes up and brings in the stealth bombers.


And I don't rat, I mine. As I said, I'm interested in his exhumer fit.


AND, I'm waiting for someone to explain why it is so bad that the cloaky camper has to press a button or click a mouse a handful of times an hour?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#113 - 2014-04-26 23:14:23 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Django Askulf wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


He's risk averse and uses it as his justification to request changes from CCP to cater to his preferred method of game play.


Divine Entervention wrote:


I've proven why AFK cloaking needs to be removed from the game.

All that's left now is getting this pushed up to CCP so they can begin implementing the mechanism necessary to prevent a cloaker from remaining cloaked while AFK.



You really need to just biomass yourself, and if you dont, please register your API, so I can laugh harder when you get blown up.



He thinks is argument about AFK cloaky streaming is win and my argument about shutting doewn entire systems is fail.

For some reason, he thinks the opinion of other players here is the least bit important. It is not.

The opinion that is important is CCP, and their concerned about one thing, REVENUE.

No one is going to unsub because it is possibel to AFK live stream while cloaky camped.

Players DO quit because they get sick and tired of the cloaky camper BS, and being ABSOLUTELY POWERLESS to do anything about it..... and we "just know" that player is nto really sitting at his keyboard 23.5/7 waiting for someone to undock, yet we HAVE to assume he may be active at any given moment...

And it is MOTHER FKN INSANE that he can do this without even being at his computer.

What is SOOOOOO bad about expecting them to actually have to click a mouse or press a buttom a handfull of times an hour?



You have no proof of anyone quitting because of afk cloaking. YOU haven't even quit over it..

That's because unlike you, most people choose to adapt rather than whine about it.
Mac Stern
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#114 - 2014-04-26 23:17:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
And by "fixed", I don't mean prevented. I simply mean that you have to be at the keyboard to do it.
What difference would it make if they were?

The problem you've described has nothing to do with the cloak and would exist even without that module because it's not the one that's causing your issues. What you want “fixed” is cynos.

Not even a little right... Cynos are fine, even a cool feature, when the person cynoing actually being active and not just hiding like a perp in the far corner of space.
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#115 - 2014-04-26 23:21:35 UTC
As someone who sits around cloaky for hours, I'm always watching, waiting, hoping to turn someones ship into fireworks. Be scared!!! Very scared!!!!!!!!!!11111111111!

But really though, I see a lot of people doing stuff, in ships that I usually cant take on, with the fit Im flying at the moment. It suprises me a lot, that people dont even mind the fact I am cloaked, and watching.

Maybe try to be more like them.
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2014-04-26 23:27:56 UTC
Django Askulf wrote:
As someone who sits around cloaky for hours, I'm always watching, waiting, hoping to turn someones ship into fireworks. Be scared!!! Very scared!!!!!!!!!!11111111111!

But really though, I see a lot of people doing stuff, in ships that I usually cant take on, with the fit Im flying at the moment. It suprises me a lot, that people dont even mind the fact I am cloaked, and watching.

Maybe try to be more like them.


This.

You're scared of not knowing if someone is actually there. A cyno isn't a threat if they are AFK.

Your problem is that you want certainty. You want KNOWN risks. Embrace not knowing... It's a lot more fun.

Bait them out & drop them. They might just pick a new place to camp, if you do. Put the not knowing on the other side for a change...
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#117 - 2014-04-26 23:28:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
LHA Tarawa wrote:

AND, I'm waiting for someone to explain why it is so bad that the cloaky camper has to press a button or click a mouse a handful of times an hour?


I already explained this. They'll just put the cycle on an egg-timer (like ice miners do now) and then continue to do exactly what you fear, except now they'll have to not be AFK for 10 seconds and move to a new safe spot and wait out the cycle again.

Congratulations, you just wasted a bunch of Dev time and you still have cloakers in your system..

I know..no other answer but CCP changing this is will be acceptable to you. Good luck with that.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Mac Stern
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2014-04-26 23:29:04 UTC
Migui X'hyrrn wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Migui X'hyrrn wrote:
The obvious would be that after 11 years of EVE Online people realized that undocking means that you are accepting everyone to shoot at you.

Stop trying to make EVE a Theme Park. It will not happen.


Except for cloakers. People who cloak don't have to worry about the risk of pvp.


This whole crying about afk cloakers is very funny. People wants to rat in 0.0 like they do when concord is around. All the problem is in Local. You know that afk cloaker is there because of local, and then you complain about it.

But in wormholes, local doesn't update yet people does pve all the time. How?

Ahhh wut? They are not complaining about roams coming through, or "active" cyno characters, the type of active pvp, they are talking about cloaky campers. Where most pve's have little ability to combat, as well as the total lack of balance. A camper gets to use a 20 mil ship to bring down a 1 biliion dollar one, with little effort. And manging to kill a cloaky camper is no deterent, they just come right back.
Mac Stern
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#119 - 2014-04-26 23:41:04 UTC
What many you ssume is that game should be played as you want, and that of course what you want is the only way. Here is the truth, always when something has come up, there has been a counter developed. The big corporations are just going to sit back and loose precious minerals because of an afk camper, not likely. They would develop a counter measure, perhaps something a kin to a solar flare which disrupts electronics, etc, etc... In the end though it would not be left alone to disrupt millions of isk.
And the general feeling is that the campers can still camp just not have free rain to do so. That there is in fact some risk to them not getting on a kill mail before dying. After all, you bunch of lack luster debaters say null should be dangerous so why not to campers as well. Bring on the non productive convo, about worm hole space, and how im a whiner, ill still look for the few people actually willing to be debaters rather then haters. Love u all Mac
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#120 - 2014-04-26 23:46:52 UTC
By the same measuring stick, anyone afk in station should be kicked into space if they are AFK because they are dangerous to miners too.

People who only log on to change their skils should be permabanned for not actively participating and cyno alts should instantly explode for being mass murderers.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann