EVE General Discussion

Saw this on Reddit. Posting here:

http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/only-you-can-save-universe-ccp-seagull_26.html

EDIT: Since no one can be bothered to read the article posted, it goes over how non-representative CPM members can be and how the majority of non-Goon players can look at the long line of Goon representation as something bad for the games overall health.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

I don't understand. CCP Seagull should nerf goons and reveal the next expansion?

There is only 1 Goonswarm member on the CFC.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.


Listen up buttercups, Uncle Malcy is going to tell you what's actually happening with respect to S&I. Not the numbersy part; I'm not clever enough to go into the detailed & precise implications on every last mod or ship. But the broad game design sweep, well this is explicitly obvious to anyone who stops and thinks about it by now.

Previously the very great majority of S&I activity has been characterised into 3 conceptual groups as follows

(1) "Immature" industrialists; dabblers, people building a few faction mods from BPC, new players learning how it all works, etc. In short people who conduct their S&I in an amateur, highly non-optimal fashion for one reason or another.

(2) "Mature" non-specialised industrialists; player who do S&I on an alt and basically do it on a "log in every day or two and start a new batch of jobs" basis. The characters these players use have good skills, and they've invested a fair effort into working out optimal supply chains and build numbers and so on. They basically just do pretty much the same thing over and over until there are significant changes in the game meta that affect them.

(3) "Mature" specialised industrialists: players for whom the main focus of their game is S&I. They are continually updating and refining their supply chains and they spend a fair amount of time monitoring market conditions to make sure that they're getting the best possible ISK/hr from all their production & research lines.

Group (1) Isn't going to going to see a whole lot of difference in production. People who just want to build faction ships or mods from BPCs don't give a crap about a 14% build cost hike. Players learning to do industry by making T1 nanos or whatever can easily up sticks and move a jump or two if they even bother. They are however going to see a big quality of life improvement by being able to access public material research and copying facilities at all.

Group (3) is, frankly, going to make bank.

Group (2) are going to be the big, big losers here. They're going to be kicked in the shorts over and over until they either start investing the time to learn how to adapt and react to dynamic changes or until they move to a protected-from-competition environment like sov space or W-space or until they firesale their stock and try something else.

In short, S&I is going to become a lot more PvP.

The link does work. It is a long read but an interesting one.

I'm in the 'wait and see' contingent as well although I do agree that various events have been extremely worrying:

1) Unifex & CmdrWang leaving with no comment from CCP. Very unappreciative in my humble opinion.
2) P.C. in DUST 514. What a mess with virtual total ownership by DNS.
3) The CSM has become a bit of a joke with one 'official' goon candidate and numerous 'unofficial' goon candidates plus a number of other nullsec candidates. Failure of democracy or death by apathy? Take your pick.
4) Poor decision making at CCP: Financial writeoffs, dropping WoD, 'butter spread too thinly over too little bread'.

I'm painting a very black picture there in a 'Dinsdale' way and I do still think we have to wait and see what happens. The remaining industry dev blogs will be released at or during Fanfest and the changes so far proposed aren't that bad. It's going to be.........interesting.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

S&I changes coming this summer (and probably after that to smooth things that slipped through Q&A process over) are huge, even I can see it and I basically have no idea about building and/or researching stuff. But massive impact those changes is kind of "big picture" event, people who don't analyze their every waking Eve moment won't see it as possibility just huge hype about, well... nothing concerning their gameplay. So what that things will get more expensive, there is a lot of ISK floating around, you add 1 more tick of null anoms and you are up to new price. No biggie.

That great plan of CCP Seagul, I am sure it is grand and great and awesome. But it is like promise of eternal life AFTER, people are interested in now. Why not to throw us few more concrete details about how we will get to building our own stargates (and why would we want to build them in the first place)? According to what CCP Seagul said on last live stream she will present that 5 years plan again after 1 years of working on it but I really hope it will have more meat and juicy details.

At the end of the day Eve while great and complex is just a game and promising great things 5 years from now doesn't sound like game, more like RL politics: trust us it will get better, meanwhile try to hang on.

Are you saying that bloc votes are worth less than non-bloc votes?

I've read through 75% and have no opinion on the matter.



..... well, almost.

My peppermint tea is ready. *sniff*


EVE players play because of glory AND shame.
Shame is part od the game.
In other games, there's just glory.
You lvl up, you're the hero (lol!) slaying NPCs.

In EVE you're a stupid sucker eventually being lucky and smart
enough to have friends to play or socialize with.

*sips tea*

Where humans dictate the game, shame is inevitable.

In other MMOs players are proud of their "achievements",
come to EVE and get their candy asses kicked.
Some quit, some GROW!

Whoever plays this game for fun only doesn't last long
and not a single reader of this post can tell me, without lying,
that he never ever got his ass kicked and felt down by it,
never did something shamefully stupid,
never had to swallow his pride.


EVE is awesome!
I'd never want it any other way.

I agree, the POS changes seem to me a way to ensure that existing POSs will be attacked, come summer, and replaced to extend 0.0 rental empires.

I'm all for PVP, but it seems like rental empires create their own hisec type risk-free environments. These comfortable environments should be put to fire and purged, like everything else that is "safe" in EVE.

EVE should be safe for no one. That should be the primary development tenet, in my opinion.

I liked this part:
" But having a Goon finance guy design your risk/reward system is like having Goldman Sachs design your banking regulatory system."

Accepted and thank you.