EVE General Discussion

my cloaky alt does LOTS of useful things for me.... and he doesn't need to uncloak to do it

so i would like to know which risk has he?

shutting down all the mining/ratting in a solar system is a byproduct of the individual choosing not to do it out of fear for the unknown. Which is why using that as an argument will fail, and why they're choosing to address your issue over mine. THey're trying to prove you're a pussy.

I strongly suggest you switch your argument to mine, where it emphasis the potential of an AFK cloaker to be gathering intelligence/reconaissance by streaming his screen's image to his corp mates, much like what's happening on this stream here:
http://www.twitch.tv/fw_subsparx

they can't defeat that argument. And it will better help you in accomplishing your goal of having a mechanism introduced that prevents someone from using a cloaking device indefinitely while AFK.

Wrong. Shutting down the entire system is a product of me not being STUPID!!!!!!

Cloaky camper in system....

1) Undock, go boom.
2) Pay for the game, but then don't actually play it.
3) Go back to high sec.
4) Cancel sub.


And we're somehow shocked people choose 3 or 4?

3 and 4 are the ONLY reasonable options.

So saying that it is the fault of the player that doesn't want to be stupid, is totally bovine fecal matter, and you HAVE to know it.

Again, why? What difference does it make?

…aaaaaand you just broke ⅓ of the game.

…but the cloak has nothing to do with the system being shut down. You said so yourself and even described why: because you have to act as if they're not AFK and can hotdrop you at any point. In other words, AFK or not makes no difference; needing to be around to turn the cloak off and on at regular interval makes no difference; the thread that you're facing is that of the hotdrop.

It doesn't matter whether you mind cynos or not — the fact is that what gives the “cloaker” this mythical (misattributed) ability to shut down a system is its ability to bring in a fleet at a moment's notice and nuke you. If we replace the cloaking ship with a suitably fast frigate, you have the exact same problem: someone in space that you can't track down and which can bring in a fleet at a moment's notice to nuke you. Is therefore AFK microwardpriving a problem?

You're effectively saying that by forcing people to fiddle with a cloaking device, you somehow solve the problem of them dropping a fleet on you. Can you see the disconnect between the supposed cause and the consequence?

No, we're shocked that they keep ignoring options 5–4,389 and that they keep attributing their problem to the wrong mechanism. It's not always the cyno, mind you — sometimes, it's the mere appearance that is the problem, which is where the snarky “remove local” solution comes from.

You don't have to shut down the system to choose a non-stupid option.

Removing Local could also be another alternative to solving the issue presented by AFK cloakers.

Do you agree?

It's the stereotypical answer suggested by those from WH's.

Removing local would result in a massive migration back to high sec... far worse that caused by broken cloaky camping mechanics.

If I recall, wormholes had like 3% of the player base. Why do you want null to be like that?

Concerning wormholes, let me present a scenario.

I go into your wormhole. I see no one, but you're there and you see me come in. I tool around, get about 20km away from the worm hole, and then poof, i just log out.

I don't log in until the next morning, just after down time. Before work. You're not there to see me log back in.

Now, I turn my cloak on, move around a bit, look at the worm hole entrance/exit. Then I turn my stream on which is being broadcast to a private link that only my corp mates, that you can't find because it's not public. I then go to work.

for 10 hours, my character is logged in, afk, cloaked, broadcasting everything that takes place at that wormhole entrance to my corp mates. While they get to do their own thing, my character is performing work for them, it's providing real, valuable intelligence.

They see a situation that you put yourself in. They know where you turned your cloak on, to watch the hole. Because of this AFK cloaker, they bump you, and kill you. Something that only happened because of the information being provided by an AFK cloaker. Something that would not be able to happen, an offering of an unstoppable advantage being obtained from someone who is AFK in space providing real time intelligence, all because CCP has no mechanism in place to disable the cloaking mechanism of a player who is cloaked while AFK.

Or they see another guy come in, then you uncloak, bubble the hole, and see 3 cruisers of your corpmates show up to help kill the guy when he tries to warp back out of the hole. Upon seeing those 3 cruisers show up to "camp" the hole, 10 corpmates of mine warp in and kill you, all because they knew what that afk cloaker was able to tell them.

Streaming game play exists. It might not have 10 years ago, but this is a very real situation that could be happening now, or very well begin to start happening in the future.

Because there's a potential for this mechanic to be abused in a way that offers ZERO counter play in some situations, completely risk free, a balance needs to be introduced to curb it's potential for abuse.

So why not save money and move back to high sec if all it takes is a cloaky camper to bring you all to your knees?

See Tarawa, LHA-1, ship of my friend "Smalls", your argument rests in your own fear. Mine is centered around the potential for abuse.