Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So replace static belts with static landmarks, which clutter the overview and are easily camped? Let me think ... nay.

They are easier to camp and raid, especially for roaming gangs. Since you have them in your overview, you can see at a glance the range from your current position and don't need to switch between Dscan and probe scan; thus you can easier determine where people are. As one scenario, but I guess that easier PVP is all well with CCP, who needs to pander all the newbie PVPers out there and make it more accessible.

Except for you usually don't have them in your overview and there is far too many to get a quick grasp of locations; whereas beacons are in many overviews because cynos are also beacons.

I love your posts like this, they set me up for my replies.

Real miners aren't mining just so they can take the ISK, and then do something else with it.

A lot of those who participate in mining, are not real miners.
Mining was just the most convenient obstacle for them to overcome, for their REAL desired play style.
They want, for this reason, to keep mining as simple and 'painless' as possible, so they can get it over with and play their REAL game.

REAL miners want to mine, and play against and with other miners.
Funny enough, getting to mess with enemy miners often involves dealing with things complained about by those viewing mining as an obstacle.

The twisted result?
Real miners LIKE the obstacles to mining, and just want them to be interesting, not removed from the game.

Scottsman Logical fallacy, thinking you can redefine a word simply by putting "real" in front of it.

Real Scottsman do not eat porrage. If you eat porrage, then you are not a real "Scottsman" even if you live are Scottish.

You can actually sell above Jita prices in null, in systems with pretty good demand. Figure out where the PvPers stage, what fits they use, and supply them!

I've lost more ships to high sec gank than in null sec. Null is safer because you know who the enemies are (any non blue) and can see them coming (intel channels).


Really, the only reason to not be in null is because of how easy it is for a cloaky camper to show up and shut you down, and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

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They are all solutions and very much in line with the so called "risk vs. reward" mantra for 00 sec.

I don't care about PVPers sitting there and die of boredom, they want ships and you mine the minerals for these ships. The least they should be forced to do is to protect those who provide them with toys. That is my unwaverable stance. Otherwise the PVPers should stop bitching about no indus or no industry in 00 sec at all.

You don't need to rent other systems, but you can coordinate with other minings/industrialists in your vicinity to mine in their systems or they in yours when they are camped. You also need to use best tanked Skiffs, but that is probably something you already do.

About the AFK part of the AFK campers; someone once said in the forums that a truly AFK person cannot harm you. I agree with that. You of course never know if a neutral in local is really AFK or actually watching you, but that's something 00 needs to deal with. Not renting out space and instead use and protect it with your own people would be an idea. But hey, I am unrealistic again.

You are, however, right that mining in High sec is far less troublesome. At least still. CODE and other scum is trying their best to make High sec more like 00 in that regard. So soon enough you'll have the same problems everywhere ...

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Forget about the sandbox, EVE is being turned into a PVP game where nothing else has a role or point. Mining is PVPized, Industry is PVPized, PVE is PVPized - every single aspect is PVPized in this game. And before someone wants to get on my throat: PVP != Player Interaction. PVP is combat all over and only a tiny part of Player Interaction. Player Interaction is all nice and dandy to have and to employ, but putting everything in the game into combat or make it available even for the daftest combatant is something worrying, but that is something, which CCP, CSM and large parts of the community lose sight off.

They are not solutions. They are ideas of how you think players should respond to your cloaky camp, OTHER than not giving you the kills that you want.

PvPers can get ships jump freightered in from high sec. They don't have to sit around all day being sitting ducks, waiting to be blown up in a hot drop to get their ships.

You again use the word "force". CCP can't force people to play the game, so they can't force them to play it a certain way.


They ***** that we're not there. When we explain why we're not there, they ***** about out proposed changes that would get us there. They ***** that when we are there, it is too hard to kill us.

The problem is the people that expect us to accept (what they think our role should be) that we are there to give PvPers easy kills.

NO ONE is every going to play a game where they exist to be easy kills for other players.



Cloaky camping destroys the profitability of null, which is why there are so many people in high sec.

It is not risk v. reward. There is no reward to getting your ship blown up.

The choices are.... A) Play dumb and be an easy kill, B) pay, but then don't play, C) move back to high sec, D) unsub.


And we're somehow shocked that people choose C an D?

I am not shocked at all. It's after all the fault of us players first and foremost that things are how they are and as things stand will never change. No High sec nerf or Low/00 buff whatsoever can change something about the density of human nature.

Except maybe for the reintroduction of Grav sites. It never was completely safe, but at least you saw the probes of roaming gangs. Which also could be exploited by them in form of warping a dictor to a station or a likely POS, bubble up and then launch probes to hunt the miners out of the belt into the bubble. More effort for the PVPers in form or more preparation and information gathering, but no one complained about that back then. But now, in the age of social media and Angry Bird, everything needs to be easy and readily accessible.