EVE General Discussion

Betcha he's going to quote me. Which would only go to show that he hasn't been paying attention.

If you get away from me with the game mechanics, good for you.

But if you cry about how you shouldn't have to evade me because you didn't want to fight, bad for you. Worse still if you try to get CCP to change things in your favor because you can't be asked to do it right in the first place.

People that are trying to avoid being on a kill main DO interact with other players ALL THE TIME. We form industrial corps, where we work together to exploit resources, share resources, work toward common goals.

Yeah, I dont waste my breath on people who not only use this phrase, but use it incorrectly.

You havent convinced me to see your side. So you agree to disagree.

I actually don't like that solution. It doesn't take any effort or cost anything to the players that want to eliminate the cloaky camper.



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So, you like that high sec is more profitable than null, because in null, you spend most of your time NOT actually playing the game because a single cloaky camper decided to park in your solar system?

You like that most industrialists live in high sec, because it is the only place that know they'll be able to undock and actually play the game?

You like that must of null sits completely empty, because everyone went back to high sec, because cloaky camping makes it way too easy to shut null sown 23.5/7?

Straw man: You can't defeat a person's actual argument, so you create a false version of it, and defeat that instead.


I say, the mechanics are just about right (with one exception that only effects null sec).

You say "People are asking that combat be removed".

Since no one actually suggested combat be removed, the statement is a straw man. A false version of the argument that the mechanics are just about right. You defeat the false version (straw man), and think you have some how defeated the original argument.

I have actually taught critical thinking classes at the university level, so you may want to learn a little something about the subject before trying to tell me I am using the term incorrectly.

After being challenged to find the hate for carebears, I went back looking for it... as I was sure it was there....

But, I couldn't really find it. Just different definitions of the term "carebear".

See, I use the term "carebear" to mean someone that does everything they can, within the rules, to avoid combat. That's me!

It seems others think that "carebear" means anyone that wants rules changed to make it harder to kill people liek me.

Odd.. When I say that I drop to NPC corp when I get war dec'ed, I'm called a carebear. They then demand the NPC corp mechanic be changed so I can't hide from war dec. Odd. I'm a "carebear" though it is not me that called for the mechanics to be changed?


Anyway, in searching for the hate for those that do everything they can to not lose ships to boom, I found the above hidden gem.


I think this person NAILS it.

The hate is for ANYONE that has found a way that they enjoy playing the game, that involves NOT being an easy kill to someone else.


Players want the other players to play in a way that makes the game fun for them. If you refuse to play in a way that makes the game fun for me, then I hate you.



And, I'll admit it. I hate logging in, finding the SAME cloaky camper that has been shitting down our system for weeks, 23.5/7... Knowing there is he is ABSOLUTELY SAFE, and there is NOTHING I CAN DO, even if he is not really sitting at his keyboard 23.5/7, then I log back off.

When forced to decide between moving back to high sec again... or just quitting the game again... I've unsubbed my accounts and now I'm just playing EVE offline while waiting for the time I've stupidly paid for to expire.

Is that really the game mechanic that CCP wants?

But you didn't say "in other threads". You said "in here" implying this thread.

Had I seen a thread suggesting that completely safe systems be added, I would have argued against that. But guess what.... I couldn't. See, I year ago, I got so frustrated by cloaky camping that I dropped all my subs. Then I began missing my friends, the good times of the past. So, I re-subbed all 4 accounts.

What did I find? Cloaky camper. Still powerless to do ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

So, I've unsubbed again.

Now I'm just playing EVE offline. Trying to convince people that EVE is a big game in a big universe that accommodates a wide variety of play play styles.

…and if you look in those threads, especially the one specifically mentioned, you'll see an interesting overlap with some of the posters appearing here.


You're still as able to deal with it as you always were. If you describe it as “powerless”, that tells more about which of these ways you chose than about the campers or any kind of problem that might exist. It is also telling as far as your choice to unsub goes.

Not really, no.

no, we discussed Kains new hair while you knocked the teeth out of your own argument.