EVE General Discussion

Never said i thought that EvE should have non-consensual encounters. I'm a firm believer that people flying around highsec with insane cargo's are just begging to get ganked. I'd also like to point out that i don't live in highsec, people seem to assume that because of my opinions on this subject. When people shoot at me, they do so for free, no concord protection for me.

That being said, EvE is a great game for exactly the reason that it contains so many different play styles. You don't have to love PvP to play EvE. You don't have to be involved in it, at all. Thats what empire is there for, not only as a safe area for new players to learn the game's insane learning curve, but also as an area for those that enjoy all the aspects of the game that have nothing to do with PvP. I know players that literally never undock, and yet they still seem to have fun making stuff and playing with spreadsheets and making isk hand over fist. Personally, i couldn't think of anything more boring, but hey, thats the great thing about EvE, you get what you like out of the sandbox.

I also should make clear that I have nothing against Burn Jita in general. It's a good content generator, and those that are killed, quite frankly, deserve it. What are they doing flying around during such an event? Madness! Plus, it makes me lots of isk. I just have issues with gankers in general, especially the ones that sprout their highsec-hating rhetoric as if to justify their position. Lets face it, they're doing it because it easy, it makes them isk, and collects them tears.

I believe that people that truely embrace PvP do so outside of the confines of highsec. Those that do so within are nothing but gank-bears, playing EvE on easy-mode. Ganking, by its very nature, flies completely in the face of EvE's risk vs reward philosophy. Because highsec ganking, when done right, is completely risk free. No-wonder they love it so much, the majority of them wouldn't know real PvP if it came and smacked them in the face. If they hate highsec so much, what it represents and those that choose to stay there, why are they even there?

Personally, i see no reason for all play styles to exist within EvE. It is the defining factor that makes it special over all over MMO's. Take that away, and EvE would be a shadow of it's former self.

http://www.isjitaburning.com/ Obviously, the answer is yes.

the op includes the holy trifecta of volatile subject matter

- goons
- highsec
- ganking

Goons ganked WiS in real life.

Looks like I picked a hell of a time to return after a year long hiatus.

I literally just said that i've got nothing against non-consensual combat. Did you not read what i'd posted?



Lots of contradictions in this one. Of course you can do things to people they don't like, e.g. ganking, and they can do the things you don't like e.g. never undocking industrialist that hates PvP. Thats what makes EvE such a good game! And so, it does mean you can do what you like, hense the sandbox. You just have to accept that someone might try to ruin your fun, and explode your stuff.



Completely disagree. One of the reasons highsec is there for those that don't have an interest in PvP. It's the only area for players that don't have time to play for long periods, or those that just want to do all the things you label as boring. If CCP were to remove concord and empire, all those players would evaporate, and they are the majority. If EvE was just pure PvP, there would be no reason for them to stay, and EvE would just be you guys shooting eachother and moaning about the lack of targets.



Though i do look down upon gankers (from my high horse, apparently), i consider them to be right down the bottom of EvE professions, I won't go as far to say that they shouldn't exist. I should note that i've never been ganked in highsec. People flying around highsec with large value cargo's should be targets for gankers. The issue i have is the complete lack of risk involved. That, imo, goes against the spirit of EvE. Of course gankers are having fun, with their no risk, maximum reward play style, shooting people that don't want anything to do with PvP, and collecting their tears in a big bucket. It's EvE with easy-mode on.

Of course computer games are about having fun, but in EvE its a balance between the two sides of the argument. Those that want to get their PvP fix have the entire galaxy, but instead choose to stick close to those that have no interest. In this case, one persons fun can ruin anothers, and if done to a too large extent, could lead to people not having fun in their play styles, and leaving the game. That, is not a good thing for EvE, regardless of how many of the highsec hater crowd would claim.

Wardecs are a seperate issue, thats real PvP in highsec. Groups like RvB are awesome in that regard.

Sorry, but petulant children exist on both sides of the argument. Trying to simply belittle anyone on one side of the fence really doesn't win you any points. There are plenty of people that have come to the forum and asked for the ability to force someone docked to eject from a station so that the station camp can pod them while they have no chance for example.

Not to say you are right or wrong in this particular case, didn't bother reading the other guys posting history, but speaking in general terms, which you attempted to speak in you are wrong.

Disagree with this too. Feel free to link info to this "campaign" you speak of. I've not said that the game needs to be changed, certainly not to the extent that one group would be forced out over the other. There are some out there that would think this way, from both sides of this argument, but they are wrong. That would harm EvE as a whole, we need more players, not less. I find its mostly the highsec hating crowd that attempts to force their opinion, the carebears of highsec don't even come onto these forums, for the most part, they just want to be left alone. Those that do are simply trying to defend their solo-play from those that would see it destroyed for their own selfish gratification. I ask again, why do these players even go to highsec, if they hate that area so much? Why become gank-bears?

There are plenty of players that play EvE and achieve zero PvP. You act like it is impossible, and yet it has been the case since day one, as much as it is today, and it will continue to be the case into the future. As i've made clear i think that both hardened PvP players can get their kicks from the game, and so can everyone else that doesn't enjoy that aspect. Thats what makes EvE stand apart from others games, it caters to all play styles. Not everyone enjoys ships exploding!

You'll notice no-one argues against my opinions on ganking, that it's EvE on easy mode, and that its completely risk free. Thats because everyone knows thats the case. It would be refreshing for gankers to admit that, for a change.

Well you're entitled to your opinion. Those that play EvE solo for all the things that have nothing to do with PvP will continue to do so regardless. You should continue to express your displeasure with such players in the time honoured EvE fashion, by exploding their ships! You can even consider this to be Elite PvP if you like!

Doesn't change the fact that ganking is nothing but zero-risk, maximum reward EvE on easy-mode. But hey, not everyone plays computer games for the challenge.

How is a 100% chance to lose your ship risk free? Just because they choose to legislate for that risk, and factor it in to their "cost of doing buisness" does not make it any less of a ship loss.