EVE General Discussion

Why is it only the person that wants to avoid hostile exchange of ammo in space that is evil for being "entitled", but if you feel entitled to blow that player's ship, it is a good "entitlement".


We all pay our subscription fees. EVE is big enough to accommodate all play styles.

I never hear carebears like me (simply meaning I do all I can to not appear on a kill main, either side) saying "we need to make the PvPers stop shooting each other. EVE is an industry centered game, and everyone should be completely safe at all times.".

If you want to PvP, then there are lots and lots of other players that want to PvP with you.

Oh...... right! You suck at PvP and the only way you can have fat KB stats and a puffy EPeen is by blowing up exhumers that are just trying to avoid PvP. If you tried to fight someone that was actually interested in PvP, then you'd lose.

Ahhhhh.... got it.

Putting aside the fact that PvP is not just about ship combat and does in fact include mining, industry, missions, the market etc etc, what does 'High sec!!!' have to do with it?
Eve is designed in a way that NO areas are removed from PvP. Just that some forms get higher punishments if done without the correct rights.

As far as AFK cloaking is concerned, please explain how this can be nerfed without making life far safer in sov null for you ratters/miners and without involving the mechanic actually being used and as you suggest, without changing the game?

If there was to be anything done to change cloaks, i think i'd prefer just to see a cloaking module use more cap so that eventually cap will run out.

Someone using their cloak constantly would eventually cap out and decloak. Smart people would then cycle the cloak and move around in system.

Skills would determine how long the cap would last, just like with other modules. No special mechanics constructed to place a different artificial limit on it as all the mechanics neede are in the game already.

However, I dont actually see any problem with the cloak as is.

aaaaaand there you have shed all pretense of your "EVE is big enough to accommodate all play styles" statement.

Guess only playstyles LHA Tarawa approves of should be allowed after all (and "preying on the weak" is not one of them).

At least your magnanimity lasted for an entire two paragraphs, many carebears do worse.

A lot of "I cant be bothered avoiding combat so it should be removed" going on here

Next they will want belt rats removed because they hate fitting combat drones instead of mining drones

Right. So why all the hate for people that take advantage of those game mechanics to avoid losing ship to boom?

Let's be clear. I can't recall EVER asking for changes to high sec that would make it harder to gank, or even mess with, anyone.

EVER!!!!

I've argued against rules that would make it easier to F with carebears and drive them out of the game. I've never argued for changes to make it harder. I think the current mix is just about right.


Here is a little story. After much hunting and searching, I found a system 3 jumps for a trade hub, open moons, lots of open manufacturing slots, lots of fat belts that it appeared no one was mining. Sweet. I moved my industrial corp of friends into the system. Glory days for a coupe months. We took down belt after belt. We loaded up those manufacturing slots. We had our research POSes running full time.

Then.... Someone else found our little slice of heaven, and they had more people. So, they hired a corp to war deck us, to shut us down and drive us out of system. Rock!

So, we through Paper! We dropped most of our toons to NPC corp, leaving just research alts in the main corp.

They threw scissors! Whenever we went mining, they showed up in the same belts as us, shot the same rokcs as us. It became a "short-cycle" competition as we each tried to get the ores before the other.

Both threw rock again, as we both began using bump ships to slam each others' mining ships out of belts.

Then.... came the gank-off.

Each side began creating gank alts with a day of training and a pack of cheap, insured, gank destroyer fleets.

Now THAT is how carebears corps clash over limited resources.

After a couple weeks of gank-ing each others profitability out of existence.... we admitted defeat and relocated.

That is: using the game mechanics to compete for limited resources. And the game mechanics are just about right. It keeps ganking to a minimum, while allowing it when appropriate.





1) It isn't dangerous now, because we just do not undock/leave the POS. All the cloaky camper mechanic does is stop us from playing.

2) All my suggestions for changing the cloaky camper mechanic simply require someone actually be at the keyboard to do it. You could still use a single cloaked ship, with the threat of cov-ops cyno to completely shut down all activity in a solar system.... You just have to actually be AT YOUR KEYBOARD to do it.

Mechanics that facilitate blowing up spaceships in a game about blowing up spaceships do not need to be restricted just because a small few don't yet realize that they are playing the wrong game.

The game is NOT about one thing!


It is a big game, in a big universe, that let's it be about one thing for you, and something different for me!

And it is not a small few.

Last stats I heard, like 80% of toons live in high sec, and in any given month, less than 5% of players appear on the "kill" side of a kill mail.


The game is MOSTLY about harvesting resources and using them to build and sell stuff to the TINY minority for whom it is about blowing up ships.

I'd like to add to this, by the way.

Without loss, and the dedicated champions of EVE who inflict loss, the game is essentially just watching the green numbers get bigger.

You know, Farmville. That's what you all are essentially playing by the way, if you aren't interacting with other players.

You should thank us. We pretty much are the game at this point.

Anyone who has ever said either;

"Gankers are sociopathic"

or

"High Sec is supposed to be safe..."