Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This will not happen. Ship with 2 powerfull weapon system which can be used as primary usually end up in crazy fits using both system to create a monster. See TFI for what the results were when people saw they could use 2 weapon system at the same time.

Now you want to create the same situation but on a ship which also happen to have a tanking bonus to make it even easier to tank it with few slots.

The snake will be a large droneboat instead of a general droneboat.

Well not quite, definitely more of a missile emphasis with the current proposals, but so nearly there, so near.

2 flights of sentries 1 spare for each flight (just in case) - Tried heavies on the Snake once, near doubled my completion time on every type of anom I run.
Used to carry - 1 Flight Valkyrie ll, 1 Flight Warrior ll and ECM, aside from the sentries - Can't do that post update.

What I don't understand is, if heavy drones are so awesome in Pvp, why don't we see, the only ship in game with a (pretty good on paper) heavy drone bonus use them in Pvp? Ishtar Sentry gangs are common place, don't think I've seen an Ishtar Heavy Drone gang.

Heavy Drones don't get used in main stream Pvp now - that will change little post summer patch.
Snake has no place in Pvp now - that also is very unlikely to change.

My post was referring to an inty gang tackling a "PVE" Snake. I don't know many who run anoms or any other type of Pve, who would fit Web and Scram "in case" you get tackled. Don't bother mentioning Refitting at a Deployable, by the time you got to it and refit - Your in structure or close to it.

NB; If you drop sentries they aren't going to hit fast ceptors well enough to be useful, without a couple of scripted Omnis, add tackle + prop mod - not much room left for tank.

Your response is simplistic and I wonder if you actually use drones, let alone drones with a Snake at all?
Is it really so hard to understand, drone mechanics aren't that simple. The change to "Super Drones" is not going to change that.
3 flights of mixed, heavies & Sentries - You have no spares - Lose 1 Drone from 1 flight - You lose 50% of your Drone Dps and have to switch to a different drone type, or you carry 1 flight of Sentries, 1 of Heavies and a spare for each. Which do you pick, Dps or speed, short range or long range, talk about micro management nightmares.

Forest - Trees is about right - Once the trees are gone so is the forest, unproven drone changes (can't say buffs - yet) is the chainsaw.
Until "Super Drones" can do more than show paper Dps, the emphasis is very much - Missiles then Drones.

Perhaps the pirate changes should have been left until after the drone changes. Change EWAR drones to not be terrible, tell all the Guristas pilots "We're giving your ships ewar drone bonuses instead of attack drone bonuses" and give the SoE ships the superdrones.

Initiate rage, tears, and an astoundingly logical new development path for Guristas while also making SoE ships a lot nicer to fly.

Also: Ataraxia - Even if you become enraged when someone says it to you, you are pretty stubbornly refusing to look at the ship from any point of view except your own.

I assure you, it is quite obvious to literally everyone except you that the missile emphasis is extremely deliberate and quite definitely intended.

Please get it through your head that this is the way CCP wants it to be and no amount of arguing from you - or anyone else - will change that.

Please get it through your head that smaller drones will not get HP or damage bonuses on the Rattlesnake - no matter how much you argue, flame or abuse others.

If you can dance in & out of a 75km control range and keep a point. You aren't in an interceptor. You are in a recon, with a T3 boosting you also. Meaning the whole worry of interceptor gangs isn't relevant to this discussion, we are now talking a serious sized Blops gang. Meaning there are also several dozen bombers shredding you in 10 seconds flat. And it's irrelevant what sort of BS or fittings you had available.

Let's analyze that latest statement/gigantic lie, shall we?

Assuming a long point here, so 24km range, slightly less than 29km with heat.

Apparently an interceptor pilot can dance in and out at will within a 47km range, long enough to keep a Rattlesnake pointed for any length of time.

Anyone else find that less than credible?

The balance is obvious.

The drone system lost effectiveness at the small end of the spectrum, it needs to gain it at the high end to compensate.

The missiles are fine as they are. While not as flexible as drones the ship has a wide array of options for dealing with craft of al sizes.

Nothing has changed in the case of the solo PvE guy getting attacked. You dont fend them off with light drones, you warp out. They didnt engage with anything less than they felt the job would get done with.

It might make an interesting bait, with the power to engage attackers and survive long enough for support to get in the fight.

It certainly can claim a place in any fleet as interdiction support. There is plenty for it to do.

This thread stopped being productive (for the most part) 60 pages back… I'm going to reiterate what I and a few others suggested: it would be nice to get a dev response (any dev response). There's a request for a bit more CPU on the Rattlesnake which I think is totally reasonable and could be accommodated, barring a good reason why it shouldn't.

As for the umpteen drone request change to the Rattlesnake, it's just not going to happen. If this wasn't already abundantly clear from what's been established with the Worm and Gila, CCP has previously indicated their desire to start differentiating between some of the different drone-based hulls. The SoE line is more drone-based and the Guristas line is now more missile-based, so there's at least some distinction between the two. I'm not trying to infer that the Rattlesnake is getting a nerf to buff the Nestor, but the Nestor definitely needs some TLC - so this isn't necessarily the worst thing that could happen.

Yes, it somewhat sucks that the Rattlesnake is no longer the dual-sniper it once was, but this isn't to say that it still can't be configured to excel at this role. Missiles are getting a +50% damage bonus, so the extra launcher is really gravy. It can certainly be dropped for a second DDA if so desired. What no one else is considering is that we're going to see passive low-slot drone omnis in the summer expansion as well, which frees up 2-3 mid slots. So how could a Rattlesnake potentially be fit?

• 4x launchers and 2x DLAs
• 3x hydraulic to actually get a bit more than the 50% missile velocity bonus lost
• 3x DDA, 2x DOM and 1x ballistic control in the lows (even with only one BC you're still way ahead)
• 1x MJD, 1-2x target painters and 4-5x mids assigned to the tank of your choice (target painters are obsolete if you utilize rapid heavy launchers, in which case you'll have a 95km-ish range and might as well drop the second DDA for the 5th launcher)

We're apparently getting a missile-based Pirate line at some point (maybe announced next weekend at FanFest?), and I would really love to see a solely drone-based Pirate class (Rogue drones anyone?).