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Jengdon Ironmark Igunen

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#1 - 2014-04-25 14:44:46 UTC

Let me preface this by saying that I've been a carebear to the 10th power. I'm a Dust dude that started an Eve account and I've been skilling up Gallente ships and Drones to the max.

Well here I am ready to fly my Ishtar, but I feel like I'm better suited for open heart surgery (I'm not a doctor) than dealing with the plethora of options available. I've searched Battleclinic and any blog that google will lead me to. I found an Odyssey post on EveMassively that intrigued me. I'd rather let drones do work while I'm at range as I'm still getting used to range control and dealing with modules and cap.

[Ishtar, Berserker]

Drone Link Augmentor I
3x Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

10MN Microwarpdrive II
2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
2x Drone Navigation Computer II

2x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Drone Speed Augmentor I

5x Berserker II
5x Garde II
5x Berserker II

This is a crap fit as I have to offline the fluctuators and skill up Drone Rigging to L5 to make it work. But I'm lost on how to accomplish something these lines.

Please help

Froggy Storm

KarmaFleet

Goonswarm Federation

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#2 - 2014-04-25 14:50:41 UTC | Edited by: Froggy Storm

First question is what will you be using her for. You said you're a bear so I was going to assume pve. But with a buffer fi you will be less than ideal.

Personally I prefer the 100mn ab shield "afktar" but it is for running anoms only in that configuration.

Also as a side note, battleclinic is (nearly) a byword for "bad fits". Generally best to avoid it. A much better tool would be to look up losses on your kill board of choice. That will give you an idea on what fits are "normal" by how common they are used. Say what you like about meta but very smart folks spend tons of time so mag as well use their knowledge.

Jengdon Ironmark Igunen

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#3 - 2014-04-25 14:57:17 UTC

Froggy Storm wrote:

I'm actually going to be using it for PvP, I should have stated that.


Jengdon Ironmark Igunen Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 0	#4 - 2014-04-25 15:06:02 UTC Okay, so I went to zKillboard and searched for Ishtar. I found a pilot that has done work in an Ishtar so I went down that person's list until I found one of their losses. In that fit from a drone standpoint it doesn't seem to rely on the ship bonuses very much. Killboard

Aerie Evingod

Midwest Miners LLC

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#5 - 2014-04-25 16:44:00 UTC

Jengdon Ironmark Igunen wrote:

Okay, so I went to zKillboard and searched for Ishtar. I found a pilot that has done work in an Ishtar so I went down that person's list until I found one of their losses. In that fit from a drone standpoint it doesn't seem to rely on the ship bonuses very much.

Killboard

What do you mean? He had gardes in his drone bay. Heavies are pretty bad for PvP atthe moment.

Your fit has no tackle, are you planning on running in a fleet or solo?

Naoru Kozan

Perkone

Caldari State

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#6 - 2014-04-25 20:14:19 UTC

[Ishtar, Nano shield sentry]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Garde II x5
Curator II x5
Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

ShahFluffers

Ice Fire Warriors

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#7 - 2014-04-25 22:08:57 UTC

If you are operating solo, I would HIGHLY suggest starting with a Tristan and then an Ishkur. Then move up to a shield-fit Vexor when you are more comfortable.

An Ishtar (especially a shield one that uses kiting tactics) requires a fair bit of micromanagement and tactical know-how. If you are coming from a "carebear" background then you will want to start cheap and get your feet wet before committing something expensive to a situation you may not be entirely knowledgeable or comfortable with.

How did you Veterans start?

Froggy Storm

KarmaFleet

Goonswarm Federation

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#8 - 2014-04-26 12:18:56 UTC

I have to agree with the fellow above. Ishtar is a very good ship. But it is not a good starter PvP craft. The odds are good you'll get killed often and become broke or frustrated fast.

Don't take me wrong, it can be a beast for PvP at any size engagement, but for most beginning PvP careers it just will have a horrible kill loss ratio.

Also any PvP ish must have some way to deal with interceptors. They are so damn common you have to plan for how to escape or blap them because you will see them. And typically for each one you swatt three more are born.

Maeltstome

Ten Thousand Days

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#9 - 2014-04-26 12:40:18 UTC

Never fly T2 ships if you're starting PVP. They give 20% better stats accross the board normally, while loosing some of the flexibility of their T1 counterpart in order to become specialized.

Thats 20% of stats however can be exploited by experienced pilots to get almost 100% improvement in performance... the truth is though that you will die hard and fast in ANY ship until you learn the fundamentals of PVP.

learn some PVP in any ship (set destination to a system in the middle of nowhere and go die...a LOT). Next, try a T1/cheap variant of your target ship. get good at it. Finally, get into your target ship and it will perform amazingly with all that knowledge behind it.

Mike Adoulin

Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club

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#10 - 2014-04-27 04:15:51 UTC

If you are going to use heavy drones, fly a Vex Navy w/Berserker 2's. And make sure you have a t2 drone nav comp mod in one of your mid slots. Anything to up the speed of your drones.

Ishtars are pretty much sentry boats now, IMO.

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Maeltstome

Ten Thousand Days

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#11 - 2014-04-28 08:54:50 UTC

Mike Adoulin wrote:

They are used as sentry boats for certain fleet doctrines. They have 'battleship' weapons (125m³ bonused bandwidth) but can sig/speed tank other battleships. They are good at killing brick battleships and such, however any form of tracking based gun ship will crush them. Also Stealth bombers wiping out sentry blobs isn't fun.

They are also expensive for what they do - Unless you 100% know your enemy, the Domi will be better 90% of the time.

Reaver Glitterstim

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#12 - 2014-04-28 09:09:23 UTC

Jengdon Ironmark Igunen wrote:

I'm actually going to be using it for PvP, I should have stated that.

Just make sure you shoot TESTies.

Wouldn't want to deal with anyone who shoots back, now would you...

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Leokokim Mining Industry Exile Foundation Synergy of Steel Likes received: 40	#13 - 2014-04-28 11:03:03 UTC But if you really want to fly Isthar, fly the kiting verion Naoru posted, it's a great ship and get's used by many good pvpers.