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I think this was all a bunch of silly posturing between two parties that have no intention to ever litigate or provoke litigation.

Does this mean Sister Mixu gave up all rights to his work creating videos, logos, and mascots for Tribal Band? I can confirm that he did in fact legally claim IP for that work, even if it was done gratis. Same goes for DredditMOT, which has it's own youtube channel, as well as MMD?

CCP needs to consider very carefully if they really want to **** off all of nulsec in a very permanent way.

can you please clarify that the artwork uploaded to your client is not original artwork, if i create a vector logo and upload a png of the file how can you possibly now own the said logo if i still pocess the original artwork and all files associated with the design, this is more proof that i own copyright than a 72dpi png file?

the file uploaded is an image of what the original artwork is so i dont see how you can claim rights to artwork someone else has produced, these sort of things annoy me people spend time and skills producing artwork for not very much money and huge companies seem to think they can claim rights to the artwork and possibly profit from using them without any credit to the artists

I don't really understand what CCP legal are trying to do here.

We (VOLT) have heard no more than anyone else reading this thread since the last post by Falcon. It's been a month and 5 days, as of this writing.

I was informed by legal counsel that in a dispute such as this over a claim to IP, if we give arguments that we own the IP and never get a response countering those arguments, that counts as CCP accepting our arguments and relinquishing their claim.

A big part of me wants to just stay quiet and let everything disappear, but I am posting this to make clear that we consider the IP ownership of the name "the Volition Cult" and our logo to not be held by CCP and that further silence from CCP will confirm this. CCP are good at not deleting forum posts, but I will of course take screen shots after posting this, as well as an archive copy of the page.

I do not expect this ever to result in litigation. We do not want to stop CCP or others from using our name or logo. We have expressly granted CCP rights to use our logo as they see fit, as well as our name. We have released the logo under creative commons, so that anyone can use it, and even we can't decide later to limit its use. (the CC release contained a special proviso that the version CCP use is under dispute, so could not be included, as CC may not be compatible with their internal policies. We are happy to discuss this in a sensible manner)

VOLT has never tried to monetise our logo or other IP, the charges on spreadshirt etc. have, so far, always been set at the minimum allowed by the service, meaning that we get nothing, all money goes to the service providing the product.

I would still like to have a response from CCP confirming that they accept this. I can think of no sane reason why anyone would have a problem with it. On the other hand, if they do not, our legal position is still assured, simply by the fact of their silence.

On a more legalistic note, having waited over 4 and a half months for a resolution, I require a response within 10 working days or the matter will be considered to be closed and for CCP to have agreed to all arguments made on this forum or in linked posts on the VOLT websites.

One further note: Another boilerplate response stating that the legal team are still thinking, will not be considered to count as a counter argument to any argument made here, so will not be considered to have met the time requirement.

Kind regards,

-Ortho Loess - On behalt of The Volition Cult Alliance and the owners of the disputed IP
(CCP have my real name :) )

So I've read the topic and still don't understand how this issue is different from uploading to social network?

Is there a reason for CCP being unable to use the same solution facebook has been using for the past years regarding user content, without forced takeover of ownership?

ELI5 please

i really dont see what the issue is, as long as something isnt advertised using the eve logo then what does it really have to do with ccp

remind your lawyers that plagiarism in the law is not only allowed, it is encouraged and usually the right answer: you should not be paying your lawyers by the hour to hem and haw over what legal terms you should be using when the correct answer is to just plagiarize one of the bazillion user agreements that do this properly

"Yo Playerzzz,

If you submit a logo, you are granting CCP a worldwide, irrevocable license to use it in any format both present and future conceived. But we totes don't actually own the logo, that would be silly and unnecessary.

Lorra love,

CCP legal"

Please give me a big cheque for sorting this out for you.

So, we're never going to see Alliance Logos again?

/surprised

Why are we still talking about this? I mean, really.