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Burn Jita haz a date!!

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#141 - 2014-04-25 05:49:05 UTC
Thought i'd pass on my thanks for making sure i stay space rich. I can always turn a tidy profit from such events!

But, paradoxically, i also think that events like burn Jita harm the game as a whole. Ultimately serving the narrow, selfish interests of those that would force PvP onto those that have no interest in it. They don't even care if these players unsub, such is their disregard for the future of EvE.

But hey, who cares right, long as you're having fun your way?

I'd suggest you guys get you're pvp fix somewhere other than highsec, but then you'd have targets that actually fight back? No, you're right, that doesn't sound fun at all! Best stick to EvE with easy mode on, hitting all those freighters. EvE is always more fun with zero risk and maximum reward.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Nakami Saans
Conclave of Independent Pilots
#142 - 2014-04-25 06:06:51 UTC
So where does all the action in Jita usually take place?

People: "You shouldn't burn bridges." Me: "I don't, I bomb them from orbit."
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#143 - 2014-04-25 06:21:17 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
But, paradoxically, i also think that events like burn Jita harm the game as a whole. Ultimately serving the narrow, selfish interests of those that would force PvP onto those that have no interest in it. They don't even care if these players unsub, such is their disregard for the future of EvE.


it's fantastic for the game, a handful of entitled wretches will realize that this game isn't for them and are replaced by a larger number of people who come in with a good idea about what this game is about

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Salvos Rhoska
#144 - 2014-04-25 06:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Andski wrote:
entitled wretches

Don't get me wrong. I support the burning and sacking of EVE's Rome.
But you might want to look closer to home to find the largest concentration of "entitled wretches", if ya know what I mean.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#145 - 2014-04-25 06:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
I've heard that people in null sec are kind of like "carebears" because while they've made the choice to put thousands of pilots within the same region, they claim that there isn't enough content in that region for those thousands of pilots to make more isk per hour than if they were in high sec.

Now considering that CCP made Null sec how they did, Also considering the TIDI exists because the servers can't handle thousands of people within the same solar system, that maybe the desire of CCP was to have a null sec with thinner concentrations of players, instead of thousands choosing to group up on one place.

And that since those thousands of players choose to put themselves in a situation where they make their ISK generations resources limited and scarce, that they want CCP to change the game to suit their needs, making them carebears.

Would this sentiment be accepted as a viable conclusion to reach, considering the argument made against "carebears" is that they're trying to change the game for their own views of how they think EvE should be when they could very well adapt by adjusting how it is they're choosing to play the game instead?

Goons creating burn jita, being carebears.
Josef Djugashvilis
#146 - 2014-04-25 06:49:12 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Thought i'd pass on my thanks for making sure i stay space rich. I can always turn a tidy profit from such events!

But, paradoxically, i also think that events like burn Jita harm the game as a whole. Ultimately serving the narrow, selfish interests of those that would force PvP onto those that have no interest in it. They don't even care if these players unsub, such is their disregard for the future of EvE.

But hey, who cares right, long as you're having fun your way?

I'd suggest you guys get you're pvp fix somewhere other than highsec, but then you'd have targets that actually fight back? No, you're right, that doesn't sound fun at all! Best stick to EvE with easy mode on, hitting all those freighters. EvE is always more fun with zero risk and maximum reward.


Whilst I think Bore Jita is a bit past its sell by date in terms of innovative play, I do not believe that it does or should harm subs.

The event is always given a lot of advance publicity by the goons as the event is really about them trying to prove that they are relevant to anyone outside of null-sec (nothing wrong with that) so If any non pvp player gets ganked in or around Jita, well, what can one say?

Even for those who do not read the forums, the pretty explosions in and around Jita should suggest that a few days trading elsewhere or actually doing something other than trading for a few days would be advisable.

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Dave Stark
#147 - 2014-04-25 07:04:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Andski wrote:
entitled wretches

Don't get me wrong. I support the burning and sacking of EVE's Rome.
But you might want to look closer to home to find the largest concentration of "entitled wretches", if ya know what I mean.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.


except you won't find a larger concentration of players outside of high sec, jita is population capped during peak times, null sec systems are mostly barren and empty.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#148 - 2014-04-25 08:34:22 UTC
Andski wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
But, paradoxically, i also think that events like burn Jita harm the game as a whole. Ultimately serving the narrow, selfish interests of those that would force PvP onto those that have no interest in it. They don't even care if these players unsub, such is their disregard for the future of EvE.


it's fantastic for the game, a handful of entitled wretches will realize that this game isn't for them and are replaced by a larger number of people who come in with a good idea about what this game is about


Ah there's that narrow, self-interest i was talking about! Why have people playing in the sandbox differently huh? Much better for the sandbox to conform to your interests, right? They are, afterall, playing the game wrong! Much better for them to all unsub!

EvE is a great game for exactly the reason it caters to all play styles. From the most hardened super-active PvP Pirate scumbag, right down to the afk mining stay-at-home parent. The highsec hater crowd likes to make out that their actions are for the good of the game, but they couldn't care less about the continued growth and development of EvE, just as long as they get their easy mode. Why bother with actual PvP when you've got all those tasty defenceless targets in highsec that won't shoot back?

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#149 - 2014-04-25 08:45:28 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:

Ah there's that narrow, self-interest i was talking about! Why have people playing in the sandbox differently huh? Much better for the sandbox to conform to your interests, right? They are, afterall, playing the game wrong! Much better for them to all unsub!



If they think they should be immune to the actions of others? Yep, they can unsub for all I care.


Quote:

Why bother with actual PvP when you've got all those tasty defenceless targets in highsec that won't shoot back?


The real question is, why does this game have so many people who refuse to act in accordance with the reality of the game? Why do people plod along, falsely secure in their self delusion that other players can't effect them?

If you ask me, that's tantamount to mental illness.

Oh, and all PvP is real PvP. You don't get to redefine the term to attempt to strip legitimacy away from the activity. That's just petty, childish, and proves that you don't have anything resembling a real argument.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#150 - 2014-04-25 08:49:30 UTC
i for one have been stocking up on ships, i dont plan on keeping any of them long.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#151 - 2014-04-25 10:32:15 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Andski wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
But, paradoxically, i also think that events like burn Jita harm the game as a whole. Ultimately serving the narrow, selfish interests of those that would force PvP onto those that have no interest in it. They don't even care if these players unsub, such is their disregard for the future of EvE.


it's fantastic for the game, a handful of entitled wretches will realize that this game isn't for them and are replaced by a larger number of people who come in with a good idea about what this game is about


Ah there's that narrow, self-interest i was talking about! Why have people playing in the sandbox differently huh? Much better for the sandbox to conform to your interests, right? They are, afterall, playing the game wrong! Much better for them to all unsub!

EvE is a great game for exactly the reason it caters to all play styles. From the most hardened super-active PvP Pirate scumbag, right down to the afk mining stay-at-home parent. The highsec hater crowd likes to make out that their actions are for the good of the game, but they couldn't care less about the continued growth and development of EvE, just as long as they get their easy mode. Why bother with actual PvP when you've got all those tasty defenceless targets in highsec that won't shoot back?


They get to be immune from combat PvP if I get to be immune from market PvP. If I'm allowed a flag that means I can purchase any items I want at NPC prices, then sure, let's go for it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#152 - 2014-04-25 12:13:43 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Ah there's that narrow, self-interest i was talking about! Why have people playing in the sandbox differently huh? Much better for the sandbox to conform to your interests, right? They are, afterall, playing the game wrong! Much better for them to all unsub!


Yes, it really is better for those who expect to be immune to PvP to simply unsub and find another MMO.

Xen Solarus wrote:
EvE is a great game for exactly the reason it caters to all play styles. From the most hardened super-active PvP Pirate scumbag, right down to the afk mining stay-at-home parent. The highsec hater crowd likes to make out that their actions are for the good of the game, but they couldn't care less about the continued growth and development of EvE, just as long as they get their easy mode. Why bother with actual PvP when you've got all those tasty defenceless targets in highsec that won't shoot back?


We care about the continued growth and development of the game because we wouldn't be able to play it if it dies off. Events like Burn Jita are important because the players' ability to put a system under siege - even if it is an NPC-owned system - is a testament to the fact that it is a sandbox. We care about the continued growth and development of the game as long as it stays a sandbox and doesn't become the casual PvE themepark surrounded by a PvP sandbox that the "afk mining stay-at-home parents" want.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Solecist Project
#153 - 2014-04-25 12:29:15 UTC
I don't see how and where EVE caters to all playstyles.

Can you explain what this means and why it seems to sound like
it caters to somebody who does not want to engage in combat?

PvP does not equal shipcombat btw.
There is no way around PvP,
but one can try to avoid a specific subtype of PvP.

I'd love to read your explanation.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
stoicfaux
#154 - 2014-04-25 13:09:44 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
good luck, but i'm extremely disappointed burn jita 3 doesn't have a subtitle

"Suckling at the Teat of Carebear Tears"
"Attack Ships Noncombatants on Fire Off the Shoulder of Orion Jita Undock"
"Meh, We Couldn't Think of Anything More Original: The Sequel"
"Good Mooooooooooooooooorning Jita!"
"Pyrrhic Victory, Best Victory"
"AvP Goons v. CONCORD"
"Idle Hands Minds Are the Devil's Goon's Playground"
"Goonswarm Rank and File: The Best AI in Any Game, Anywhere™"
"Dude! Where's Your Freighter!?!"
"High Sec is 100% Safe if you Never, Ever, Undock"
"An Event So Popular We Accidentally Pop-Locked the System Leaving Just Goons and Station Traders to Stare at Each Other in Local"


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Claud Tiberius
#155 - 2014-04-25 13:45:16 UTC
So its over yes? Did the goons get anything good?

All I saw was a bunch of dessy wrecks and a lot of concord ships, I must have missed the party.

Very disappointing. Hardly the "burning" I was expecting.

Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
Dave Stark
#156 - 2014-04-25 13:56:13 UTC
Claud Tiberius wrote:
So its over yes? Did the goons get anything good?

All I saw was a bunch of dessy wrecks and a lot of concord ships, I must have missed the party.

Very disappointing. Hardly the "burning" I was expecting.


unsurprisingly "they just ganked something" is a boring retort that has been used every year by other people. they were also laughed at for various reasons.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#157 - 2014-04-25 14:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Claud Tiberius wrote:
So its over yes? Did the goons get anything good?

No, just started really and looks to be going off well.

About 600 kills an hour (including Concordekken) and there was a 9.3 Billion ISK Anshar in the first hour.

Quite a few of the goons have been podded with some nice implants in too. Strange they aren't all using empty clones.

Should be some more good kills through the weekend.
John MidWolfie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#158 - 2014-04-25 14:49:42 UTC
It just started few hours ago :)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#159 - 2014-04-25 15:46:38 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
good luck, but i'm extremely disappointed burn jita 3 doesn't have a subtitle

"Suckling at the Teat of Carebear Tears"
"Attack Ships Noncombatants on Fire Off the Shoulder of Orion Jita Undock"
"Meh, We Couldn't Think of Anything More Original: The Sequel"
"Good Mooooooooooooooooorning Jita!"
"Pyrrhic Victory, Best Victory"
"AvP Goons v. CONCORD"
"Idle Hands Minds Are the Devil's Goon's Playground"
"Goonswarm Rank and File: The Best AI in Any Game, Anywhere™"
"Dude! Where's Your Freighter!?!"
"High Sec is 100% Safe if you Never, Ever, Undock"
"An Event So Popular We Accidentally Pop-Locked the System Leaving Just Goons and Station Traders to Stare at Each Other in Local"





How about:

"This time we didn't forget the bacon"


But this one is pretty darn good:

"Dude! Where's Your Freighter!?!"

Lol

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#160 - 2014-04-25 16:13:41 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Thought i'd pass on my thanks for making sure i stay space rich. I can always turn a tidy profit from such events!

But, paradoxically, i also think that events like burn Jita harm the game as a whole. Ultimately serving the narrow, selfish interests of those that would force PvP onto those that have no interest in it. They don't even care if these players unsub, such is their disregard for the future of EvE.

But hey, who cares right, long as you're having fun your way?

I'd suggest you guys get you're pvp fix somewhere other than highsec, but then you'd have targets that actually fight back? No, you're right, that doesn't sound fun at all! Best stick to EvE with easy mode on, hitting all those freighters. EvE is always more fun with zero risk and maximum reward.


This is always silly thinking. EVE has been a game that features non-consensual encounters (ie 'people forcing pvp onto people who have no interest in it') since day one. 10 years of non-consensual pvp.

If you don't want pvp forced on you, the choice to play EVE Online is a terribly incorrect one.

There is also zero indication of events like burn jita causing a decrease in subscriptions. That seems to indicate to me that other people are not as over sensitive about the issue as you are and fully understand that their choice to play EVE Online involves risk of 'unwanted' pvp.

As a PVE player, I recognize that a big part of my gameplay involves discouraging and preventing unwanted pvp from happening to me (which i have been really successful at). I do this by thinking about how I play, how i fit, where I play, when i play and so forth.

If you want to be a non-pvp player in a pvp based game (and EVE is a game with pvp at it's heart), this is what you have to do. If you don't like that, it's not a problem with the game or the people playing the game. The problem is that you're playing the wrong video game.