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T3 skill loss mitigation

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Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#1 - 2014-04-24 22:37:23 UTC
How about adding an implant which would cause the loss of a T3 to not cause a loss of skillpoints?

Balance decisions would be new slot vs. Existing skill hardwiring.

Might also make it be consumed on T3 loss instead of podkill.

I'm thinking shooting for a price point around 200M.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2014-04-24 22:38:46 UTC
How about no.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Carmen Electra
Alcoholocaust.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2014-04-24 22:41:21 UTC
I don't fly T3s because I like my SP too much.

Would cause me to fly T3s for better or for worse.
Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#4 - 2014-04-24 22:51:58 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
How about no.


Can't argue with such a well reasoned argument.

Well played, Mr. Forum alt!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2014-04-24 23:13:33 UTC
Nitrah wrote:
Can't argue with such a well reasoned argument.
Well played, Mr. Forum alt!

Let's recap, shall we? You want a $200-million "one-time" use implant to avoid the potential skill loss in a T3 that's only worth around $275m to begin with. So which skill slot will this potentially consume and override, because I'm pretty sure we're not going to get an 11th slot. So, again - thank you for playing - but no.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#6 - 2014-04-24 23:34:40 UTC
Close client & don't lose sp
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-04-24 23:40:46 UTC
^ That guy has it.


Nope.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal

Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#8 - 2014-04-25 00:28:13 UTC
Along time ago it was cost of t3 that limited its (ab)use.

Now all t3 has a deterent is sp loss.

CCP has fixed up the most of the cruisers. Don't dig this scene...run them. I know, they can't run 100mn prop mods as readily, work around that someway. Whoever popped you did.

Or take your 5 day retrain to reflect on why you lost your ship if you jsut can't fly that ship at whatever skill level 4.
Rafe Vatta
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#9 - 2014-04-25 01:16:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Rafe Vatta
Zan Shiro wrote:
Along time ago it was cost of t3 that limited its (ab)use.

Now all t3 has a deterent is sp loss.

Why should T3s need a deterrent beyond price? If you feel they are currently too cheap, a consumable implant solves this neatly. X additional isk spent on each T3 loss. Depending on how much extra deterrent you want, pick a popular/non-popular slot for the implant to go in.

Or if you don't like consumable and want to build in more interesting tradeoffs, make it a set. Each implant reduces SP lost by a percent, with the full set reducing by 100%. Would require sacrificing attribute slots and forgoing other set bonuses.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#10 - 2014-04-25 01:28:15 UTC
Personally, I would prefer to see T3s get their rebalancing pass. Then, when they've been brought to the approximate level of super-versatile Navy cruisers, we can see the SP loss mechanic removed (it was only implemented in order to help balance their current power level) and everyone will be happy. Except the people who rely on the Tengu and Proteus specifically for their broken aspects.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-04-25 02:29:39 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Along time ago it was cost of t3 that limited its (ab)use.

Now all t3 has a deterent is sp loss.

CCP has fixed up the most of the cruisers. Don't dig this scene...run them. I know, they can't run 100mn prop mods as readily, work around that someway. Whoever popped you did.

Or take your 5 day retrain to reflect on why you lost your ship if you jsut can't fly that ship at whatever skill level 4.

oh my.....

Well, I know it's difficult for forum trolls to understand this but not everyone responds the same way they would. So, your projection of a sandy, inflamed and staph infected vagg from whoever shot you down is perfectly understandable reaction (for some) but it's really not Nitrah's motivation.
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Nitrah wrote:
Can't argue with such a well reasoned argument.
Well played, Mr. Forum alt!

Let's recap, shall we? You want a $200-million "one-time" use implant to avoid the potential skill loss in a T3 that's only worth around $275m to begin with. So which skill slot will this potentially consume and override, because I'm pretty sure we're not going to get an 11th slot. So, again - thank you for playing - but no.

Lets Recap shall we?

A: The four day retrain isn't that big a deal to most of us at this point.

B: Taking a slot away is a decent liability to offset the removal of losing skill points/time and would seem to offset the gained advantage of not having lost time.

Of course, one wouldn't have to use it if one didn't want to.


Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#12 - 2014-04-25 03:59:45 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
T3 that's only worth around $275m to begin with.


YUPOORBRO?

Should be worth way more than that. Spend the isk!

No trolling please

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#13 - 2014-04-25 05:56:00 UTC
stop losing T3 ships, problem solved.
Luwc
LOGOS Community
Lux Collective
#14 - 2014-04-25 07:04:35 UTC
No.

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Koz Katral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-04-25 09:02:12 UTC
I like my T3's exactly as they are now - awesome. I'm pretty much a dedicated T3/Cruiser pilot, and if SP loss is the price I have to pay for that awesomeness then so be it, its usually 5 day retrain max, and if you are dieing that often - don't fly t3's.
Jean-Paul Hutchinson
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-04-25 09:10:07 UTC
The only thing daft is a t3 that can out tank a t2 BC. neut the t3 and its pretty much game over for the pilot. you can kill a t3 with a HAC everytime you just need to fit it properly.

Nice idea though and if you loose your pod you loose more sp than the original loss would have been.
Koz Katral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-04-25 09:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Koz Katral
Jean-Paul Hutchinson wrote:
The only thing daft is a t3 that can out tank a t2 BC. neut the t3 and its pretty much game over for the pilot. you can kill a t3 with a HAC everytime you just need to fit it properly.

Nice idea though and if you loose your pod you loose more sp than the original loss would have been.



presumably you mean some kind of 1 v 1 against an armour t3 in your active tanked cerb/vaga that never gets tackled? because the ahac t3's will smash actual ahacs into the floor. Same DPS, tripple the tank. I'm pretty sure my zealot can't get 200k ehp or active rep better than a legion/proteus no matter how I fit it. Diemos is cool and all but that isn't going to beat a Proteus either assuming no retardation on both sides.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#18 - 2014-04-25 13:08:20 UTC
removing the SP loss is the only sensible option really

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#19 - 2014-04-25 15:35:27 UTC
You can abandon ship and not loss skillpoints.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#20 - 2014-04-25 17:13:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
You can abandon ship and not loss skillpoints.


Which can actually be quite hard as they often are used in high damage scenarios where their BS like tank but cruiser sig makes them one of if not the only viable choice but they only have cruiser structure so often its low armor one moment, gone the next.

Not really a fan of removing or reducing the SP loss as there needs to be some pain to balance their power.

Neither am I a fan of nerfing them as it would tend to make the game more bland and less interesting, people are a lot less interested in killing a T2 HAC whereas a T3 to kill will still get people out of bed to join in.
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