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L4 fit advice

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Uther Mckay
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-24 14:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Uther Mckay
[Uther Mckay's Scorpion Navy Issue, Scorpion Navy Issue]
Capacitor Power Relay II / Meta 4
Capacitor Power Relay II / Meta 4
Capacitor Power Relay II / Meta 4
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
EM Ward Field II *
Thermic Dissipation Field II *
EM Ward Amplifier II *
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II *

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

* = changed out depending on damage types of the mission in question



I was just wondering if this was over-tanking with a navy scorp? - taking into account that its a burst regen, as its almost stable but not quite

although the DPS is 612(702 faction missiles, 800 with furys) from the missiles and around the 120 mark with medium drones although that's just supplemental.


total fit cost is about 1.3B, but the boost amp can just be a tech 2 instead of the pith, and I'm not sure on the average damage of the missions so i went for the pith booster as they aren't overly expensive, well, less than the booster.


I know this fit is easily (and definitely profitable) gankable, but within missions the only thing it really needs to worry about is cap nuets... but that's why you have missiles and drones, as the moment the nuets are gone, this ships Extremely durable and you would have to let them kill you(as long as you set up the resistance types properly).

not sure on the highest range the level 4 battleships sit at though, highest I've seen is 51km which the rapids hit, so cruise hasn't been needed so far(correct me otherwise)

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Shalene
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-04-24 14:59:22 UTC
Yes, yes it is over tanked, by a margin of holy s***.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-04-24 15:03:14 UTC
holy s*** thats some over tanking right there

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Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-04-24 15:23:42 UTC
DON'T USE A CAPACITOR POWER RELAY WITH ACTIVE SHIELD TANK.

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Rena Monachica
Capital Hot Rods
#5 - 2014-04-24 15:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Rena Monachica
yes, thats slightly overtanked ... ~ 2000 dps? You should aim for 400 or 500 dps at the most

also, if you worry about bling and suicide ganks, fit a Damage Control. Low slot module, rises the effort to kill you significantly
Nolen Cadmar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-04-24 15:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolen Cadmar
Here's something I made real quick. I tried to keep it similar to your current. This fitting is still overtanked. I'm seeing 1266 dps sustained tank vs Guristas. Total Cost is 1.1 Bil.


[Scorpion Navy Issue]
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile

Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#7 - 2014-04-24 16:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Aerie Evingod
Use cruise missiles, rapid heavies' reload time will be frustrating in missions. Drop the capacitor power relays, the capacitor rigs, down grade shield booster to a large and fit damage application rigs.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-04-24 17:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
ähem, i prefer the raven navy just a heads up but i know with good skills this is a good fit

[Scorpion Navy Issue, mission]

6x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile)

Large Micro Jump Drive
X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 800)
3x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II (Optimal Range Script)

4x Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

2x Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II

3x Garde II

with all l5 and cm-605, mp-705, gp-805, tn-905 rl-1005 the
stats are as follows
fury: range: 116km explosion velocity: 109.62m/s explosion radius: 258.552m alpha: 5910.26 dps: 924.95
precision: range: 77.7km explosion velocity: 156.87m/s explosion radius: 135.432m alpha: 4221.61 dps: 660.68
gardes: range: 50km alpha: 720 dps: 180
burst tank: angel: 447.72 dps blood: 314.26 gurista: 430.05 mordus: 423.27 drones: 445.29 sansha: 301.11 serpentis: 375.69
Edit: lock range 112.5km
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#9 - 2014-04-24 18:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: chaosgrimm
Way too much:
* Tank
* emphasis on capacitor

Not enough:
* dmg mods
* emphasis on applied dmg
* mobility
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2014-04-24 18:18:06 UTC
Rena Monachica wrote:
yes, thats slightly overtanked ... ~ 2000 dps? You should aim for 400 or 500 dps at the most

also, if you worry about bling and suicide ganks, fit a Damage Control. Low slot module, rises the effort to kill you significantly

quoting for emphasis
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#11 - 2014-04-24 21:41:09 UTC
I think I'm going to puke.

I'll give you an hint...

cap...booster... 800....
2..target painters....
4 ... bcus.....
NearNihil
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
#12 - 2014-04-24 22:08:37 UTC
I can recommend using cruise missiles, a MJD and damage and damage application mods. You'll need significantly less tank, as the others have said, but even more so because only Guristas missiles hit out to 100km. Plus you'll get jammed less often at range.
You could probably suffice with a normal Raven (or, heck, a Typhoon) in this, don't need to pimp it at all. More or less same damage, no need to worry about gankers, cheaper to lose if you mess up or your internet drops at an inopportune time.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-04-25 01:08:32 UTC
If you're using cruise missiles you NEED rigor rigs. Also no less than 4 BCU's. Target painters are also a must. For the SNI I hesitate to recommend a MJD since you won't have 100km range with precision but not sure about fury. I'm not on my PC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-04-25 01:13:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
IIshira wrote:
If you're using cruise missiles you NEED rigor rigs. Also no less than 4 BCU's. Target painters are also a must. For the SNI I hesitate to recommend a MJD since you won't have 100km range with precision but not sure about fury. I'm not on my PC


lol i have linked a fit, and also added the eft stats, fury have 116km range ^^ also i said i personally prefer the raven navy thx to its bigger alpha and so normaly faster popping of ships. But there are alot of ppl out there who prefer the sni thx to boni and +1 mid which normaly ends up in +2 mids to fit to your choosing
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-04-25 01:16:58 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
IIshira wrote:
If you're using cruise missiles you NEED rigor rigs. Also no less than 4 BCU's. Target painters are also a must. For the SNI I hesitate to recommend a MJD since you won't have 100km range with precision but not sure about fury. I'm not on my PC


lol i have linked a fit, and also added the eft stats, fury have 116km range ^^

Yeah trying to read this on my phone. I do remember flying one not being able to use precision missiles. I didn't see the point of flying one vs the T1 Raven except for having a heavy tank.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-04-25 10:55:12 UTC
As others have said.
less tank, less cap mods
lows should be damage mods 3-4 BCU and 1-2 DDA. Your drone dps ain't great even with 2 DDA but they will clear frig and cruiser much faster meaning you can concentrate on the BS with your cruise.

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