EVE General Discussion

Simple - They have 0 interest in doing PvP with other PvPers in low and null. They want easy, non pvp fitted targets. Its really that simple. Basically they are just PvpCarebears.

You also do not see the forums filled with threads by low and null sec PvPers as they are busy doing PvP With that said they are just as Carebearsish as anyone else in hi sec.

Entitled or not? That defines your carbearness

The answer is, there is love and hate for every play style.

You notice the hate directed against your play style, what ever that play style is.


Personally, my hate goes to the cloaky camper, mainly because it is "nuke bomb" in the game of rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock.

There is no defense other than not playing, hope they get bored, and leave.

Why would someone who is not interested in PvP, that decides to play a PvP centric game, and expect not to get their **** pushed in?

He can be forgiven since the term "carebear" has different connotoations in different MMOs. In most others, the term refers to a player who a little too emo and really has a need to be friends with everyone. In this case they may be an active PvPer, but often get upset if who they percieve as their friends don't always immediately rush to their aid. They also have a tendency to be too touchy feely, emotional about personal life in game and generally be attention whores in a guild or corporation. I've encountered only a few of this type of "care bear" in EVE, but they are way more prevalent in Fantasy type MMOs. I personally don't like them since they tend to be a huge sourse of drama in your guild/corp and life's too short for that kind of BS.

In EVE, however, "care bear" refers to a player who strictly likes to PvE, whether they are desiring of an AFK lifestyle or not. Most of the populace use that term in a derisive manner to refer to any type of non PvP activty. "I was carebearing for a while" is a common expression. In my experience I've found that while on the forums here you might find reasonable people who accept that PvE activities are a necessary part of the game, in practice you often don't. I've been in multiple corps where any sort of PvE activity is met with derision and hostility from your fellow players. As an active player who's interested in EVE's industry, Its tough to find a home as an industrialist. While some may seem welcoming, for the most part they aren't. As a result, you see a lot of industry oriented players form their own corps and tend to play a more solo game, and if necessary have PvP alts, when they feel like a change of pace. Since many corps require all alts to be commited, by necessity these players only join small gang activity.

When I use the term to describe myself, I simply mean that I do everything I can to avoid having people shoot ammo at my ships. I hate being on someone's kill mail. It has happened a few times, but generally the Ganker has lost more ISk value that me. The ganks can be reduced, but not avoided.

Some people enjoy shooting each others ships, and good for them! Go shoot each others' ships all day and all night.

I don't, won't.

If CCP does not let me play in a way that makes it VERY rare that I lose a ship, then I will simply not play. That is not a threat, it is my track record, of coming and going from the game.

So, if you want to make it easier to gank, if you are pro-cloaky camper that shuts down entire systems, if you like the slower warp of freigheters, than you are a carebear?

Seems like goons have A LOT of carebears then, becuase they are always asking CPP to make it harder to avoid having your ship go boom.



Where did I say I want to make it harder for other people to shoot each other? Heck, I don't even want to make it harder to gank.


If I could change anything about the game, it would be to make it possible to find and kill cloaked ships. Not if they are actively playing... make a device that turns off their cloak for 5 seconds every minute. Not enough for me to find him and kill him if he's actually playing, can bounce safes, and turn the cloak back on.

Just enough that he can't log on, safe up, cloak..... be totally invulnerable for hours while he's AFK, then come home from work, light a cyno, hot drop a SB fleet.

Posting on the sub forums is usually ok, people in there are non troll like. however, I do agree with the OP in the overall mindset.
A good example of this is usually to read the first post post in a thread followed by the last. The degenerative slide into random streams of consciousness disguised as trolling usually occurs well before the last post though.

This is what happens when you provide a socially inept kid who has no self confidence and a deep fear of rejection with a keyboard.

Except that doesn't require a game change.

In fact, it requires that it not change in all those ways that PvPers keep asking for it to be changed, becuase they feel entiteled to be able to kill us, making the game harder for us....

So by every backwards definition of carebear that involves "changing" or "making it harder", it is GOONs that are the carebears.


The change I'm asking for? To make it easier (possible) to kill cloaky campers, that are NOT actually actively playing the game.

So you want to reap the favours, but you don't like cost.

Heard that one before.