Science & Industry

You know, I find it entertaining that so far the only people that seem 100% behind this is goonswarm. Gee, that fact that your alliance stands to make a staggering profit having driven your largest competitors out of the market by petitioning for this for the last year must have no impact at all on this position.

Sorry, doc, I'm making a killing on it and I still think it's a bad thing.

So, yes, I'm whining that I'm making too much isk.

Why? Because I've been down this road before in this game and even though I made a LOT of isk at it, the end result was brutal on the in game economy over all and led to people leaving the game.

Doc, I post because I remember the old days, when Tech II first came out and major alliances ran the show with tech II. The entire point of invention being added into the game was to break the stranglehold that groups like BoB and goons had on the T2 market.

Now, I was in with a group that had a T2 bpo for a HAC, so we were making, insane isk. You would not believe how much. Our profits were on something like 800%. I was one of the people that benefited most.

We'd sweep in and annihilate people. Until we ran head long into the BoB/FA war, we won nearly every fight. (Except that one time the drunk guys tried to fight a gate gun. It was funny, but got a couple noobs wiped due to a post patch active tank bug)

Do you think that sort of thing didn't cost eve players? I could build for a handful of isk a ship that tore apart ships that cost ten times as much to build. Do you remember the outrage over that T20 did? Those BPOs had power way beyond the mere isk that they generated.

Now, with this, I see the balance tipping back toward that. I see goons positively salivating because they remember it too, and are absolutely eager to get back to the days when alliances didn't just rule regions, they dominated everything from the furthest stars to the edge of high sec.

I actually had STK Scientific, way back in the day, send 40 guys to fight me, specifically. Not my corp. Me.

Does that give you some concept of how much wealth and power that sort of monopoly has?

The way this is set up, major alliances can simply run any high sec or even low sec operation right out of business. They can set their tax to zero, and using the fact that nullsec planets (as they should) produce more material then low or high sec ones, to simply crush anything in their way. It will be chaos in the T2 market. And then, once the PI player in high and low sec have given up because of losing too much isk, the alliances will jack the price through the roof for a while, until competition starts to return, and then repeat the process.

For a while low sec and high sec corps might make isk, but it's doubtful they'll be able to compete in the market against jump freighter imports from nullsec.

Believe me, I know the guys ferrying it in.

I'm one of them.



EDIT: and, frankly, this is a mindbogglingly bad moment to have done something this dumb with PI: I've already received 57 invites to join guilds in TOR who are giving up on EvE. (Thank you for your invites, I'll consider them if I move there)

Even if GSF set POCOs on every planet (it won't), set taxes to 100% (it won't) and had everyone do PI (they don't) it would not even come close to generating the amount of ISK for the alliance that technetium moons do.

Technetium moons that Mittani, the rest of the CSM, and the swarms directorate pretty much all agree should be nerfed and will be nerfed.

It's been hilarious how many tears have come about as a change that literally just one guy in Goonswarm put any effort into getting in place or cared about.

the rate of Customs taxes is way too high , it effectively ends hi sec pi. a feature that new players were ostensibly to be able to use as evidenced by the relatively low skill requirements to get started. the time wasted trying to produce the material and the cost of getting it off the planet is better invested in other endeavours, that produce vastly higher revenues, which then can be used to purchase the products from low sec players.

I hope your right. But i've heard it said many times that if someone really wants to take your WH, then they'll be little you can do to stop them. I'm sure the same applies to these POCO's!

I predict alliances will now start to take notice of PI and dominate it, and expect taxes will be even higher for players not affilated with them.

double post

I'm not sure why everyone waited until now to complain. Could you really not see this coming? I haven't sold any of my PI materials since they announced this stuff would go into effect and right now I am sitting on massive stockpiles of PI materials whose prices are currently going throught he roof, ka ching!! All this means is what we already knew when this was announced. PI materials will increase in price, POS fuels will increase in price, and if you want to do PI, even in HI sec you will need at least a little start up money to get going, but for the long term it really means nothing for HI sec PI as the added costs will be passed on to the buyer. Where this will really hurt will be in lo-sec space, which was just made even more worthless than it already is. Nobody in their right mind is going to blow up an interbus station and put up their own. There is absolutely no good way to defend these little stations in lo-sec, and you will be greifed to tears if you put one up there. Null sec is easy enough for large alliances to defend little PI farms out in the middle of no where. All in all this will simply lower the supply of PI items, drive up the price of PI items, hurting the little guys and small corps who put up POS's in lo sec or worm holes.

Not one of them has this advantage on the scale that goons do. And, sure, all the nullsec alliances have the same advantage.. now.

Sorry, the only thing I see this as is an attempt to squeeze the invention genie back into the lamp by CCP, because it's taken too much isk from the wallets of major alliances, and I've heard too many of you, goons included, whine for the old days when T2 production was very much an 'Alliance Only' Club.

I hate to say this, but long experience in this game leaves me with the impression of a fox telling chickens 'It's safe. Trust me! Would I lie?'

I'm not even sure what you're on about. pmchem agitated for a PI tax hike to curb invention? That's silly. You're silly.

T2 demand is highly inelastic because out here we actually use it for shooting things (which is the reason we play eve) so the price of some T2 materials going up by 15% will have a minimal effect on the number of T2 products you can sell. It won't effect datacores at all, which being a 100% passive isk source are the actual invention genie that a nerf would need to be aimed at.