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Meager selection of Hybrid ammo
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Toophaqing Wasted
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-24 01:33:15 UTC
I see only small and medium standard charges. Where do they hide the good stuff?
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-04-24 01:36:36 UTC
You might be at a station or in a system that doesn't have faction or T2 charges stocked. You'll generally find a good selection at the major trade hubs: Jita (but watch out for hostile traffic), Dodixie, Amarr, Rens, or Hek.

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Toophaqing Wasted
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-04-24 01:47:38 UTC
Ahh, that explains it. I'm in Arant which i think is a bit of a backwater.

Thanks, Marc!
Toophaqing Wasted
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-04-24 01:56:02 UTC
Wow, calling this place a backwater is too kind.

I just checked out regional market for skillbooks and there's only 1 available under Spaceship Command and only 2 each under Gunnery and Scanning. Ugh
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2014-04-24 02:11:08 UTC
Hahaha... sounds like there might be opportunity for profit there!

Also... what ammo are you looking for exactly?

How did you Veterans start?
Toophaqing Wasted
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-04-24 02:22:01 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Hahaha... sounds like there might be opportunity for profit there!

Lol! I know, right?!

ShahFluffers wrote:
Also... what ammo are you looking for exactly?

I'm not sure, to be honest. Something better than the standard antimatter loads I'm using now.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2014-04-24 02:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
PvP or PvE? Blasters or Railguns?

In PvP...
- you almost always want to use Faction Antimatter (Caldari Navy will be the cheapest) and have some Null ammo (if you can use Tech 2 guns) as backup. Try to stay away from Void unless the ship(s) you use has a tracking bonus.
- you want to have Faction Antimatter and Faction Lead for railgun use. When you can use Tech 2 railguns you can add Spike and Javelin ammo for extra long and extra close range encounters (respectively).

In PvE...
- Regular Antimatter ammo will give you the best price to performance ratio for blasters. Faction and T2 ammo are a waste.
- Regular Antimatter and Lead ammo will give you the best price to performance ratio for railguns.

How did you Veterans start?
Toophaqing Wasted
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-04-24 02:43:51 UTC
PvE, L2 security.
Rails.

Thanks for the help, Shah. You confirmed what I had already suspected re ammo bang for buck.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#9 - 2014-04-24 04:44:06 UTC
Toophaqing Wasted wrote:
Something better than the standard antimatter loads I'm using now.


T2 ammo isn't necessarily BETTER than faction ammo, FYI, it's usually just more specialized in some way. Especially with hybrid ammo, in all-around terms faction antimatter is about as good as it gets for close-range.

Not that null isn't awesome, but as a newer player you're probably going to have issues applying it effectively.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2014-04-24 06:03:30 UTC
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Essence/Arant might also be helpful to set your filters to region. Cool
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-04-24 07:13:07 UTC
Toophaqing Wasted wrote:
Ahh, that explains it. I'm in Arant which i think is a bit of a backwater.


Not really. It's 1 jump from Villore where a fair amount of stuff is sold, and 4 jumps from Dodixie, the main Gallente trade hub

Set your market filter to region, not system or station.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#12 - 2014-04-24 09:27:11 UTC
Anti-matter has a very short range. Even with rails.

It has the highest potential DPS tho. So I suggest you alter your engagement range (or do some work on your tracking) to do more damage.

Other railgun ammo types will have more range at the expense of damage. Now.. if you want to be further away, a different ammo type thats closest to what you feel comfortable about, will be available from the markets.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-04-24 12:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
There are also a couple of settings that will affect your market purchasing & viewing options

On the main page you can set your browsing range from station to region
There is also a small checkbox on the bottom (forget what it says specifically, sorry not in game atm)

On the settings tab there is a [filter by skills] checkbox
if it's ticked you will only see items you have the skills to use
bad for browsing, but good for stopping you buying things you cant use
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-04-24 13:29:27 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
There is also a small checkbox on the bottom (forget what it says specifically, sorry not in game atm)


It says "Show only available" iirc, meaning that any items not available in the region/system (depending on your filter) will not be shown in the market at all. I always leave this unchecked so I can see items anywhere, whether or not I can purchase them nearby.

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Titan's Lament
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2014-04-24 20:06:41 UTC
http://eve-central.com/ might also be useful, but beware that it is never completely accurate.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#16 - 2014-04-24 21:11:43 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Anti-matter has a very short range. Even with rails.

It has the highest potential DPS tho. So I suggest you alter your engagement range (or do some work on your tracking) to do more damage.

Other railgun ammo types will have more range at the expense of damage. Now.. if you want to be further away, a different ammo type thats closest to what you feel comfortable about, will be available from the markets.

Rules of thumb I've always lived by when it comes to ammo choices (specifically hybrids)...

- Blasters: Antimatter and Null
- Railguns: Lead and Antimatter OR Lead, Javelin, and Spike


Reasoning:

Blaster range, even with "perfect" skills, is very short and a loss or gain of 1000 meters isn't really worthwhile compared to the loss/gain of the damage.
For example:
With level 5 skills, an Atron using three Tech 2 Light Neutron Blasters and a single Tech 2 Magnetic Field Stabilizer deals...
- around 180 dps @ ~1000m + 4700m falloff using Tech 1 Antimatter.
- around 120 dps @ ~2000m + 4700m falloff using Tech 1 Lead.
- around 75 dps @ ~3600m + 4700m falloff using Tech 1 Iron.

NOTE: Antimatter has a -50% range penalty while Iron gives a bonus of 50%. Lead does not alter range.

Tech 2 Null ammo is a different matter as it greatly extends both optimal range and falloff while maintaining reasonable damage... with a small 25% tracking penalty.
Example: same skills and fit above does ~160 dps @ 3200m + 6500m falloff with Null.


With railguns I have always found Lead to be my ammo of choice for most engagements (PvE and PvP). It offers no range penalty/bonus (though, it does cut weapon power consumption by half) and deals a reasonable amount of damage. However, I would advise to keep some Antimatter handy in case something gets too close.
When you gain access to Tech 2 railguns though... you can replace Antimatter with Javelin ammo. It has a higher range penalty compared to antimatter but adds a 25% tracking bonus.
And to cover very long range look at Spike ammo. It adds +80% range and deals damage similar to Lead but has a 75% tracking penalty.

How did you Veterans start?