Ships & Modules

Done that a few times. Mainly I get dumped on the target as heavy firepower

Hybrids have several issues. Here is the list I know of for blasters:

1) harsh fitting requirements (it is nearly impossible to fit neutron blasters and tank be it active or passive on blasterboats)
2) only marginal damage increase compared to other gun types (especially if you take into account fitting requirements. your ion/electron blaster ship will be outdamaged even at close range by 425mm ACs)
3) ships intended as blasterboats are slow (hence will be kited to death or killed before being able to apply it damage)
4) blasters uses relatively high amount of capacitor (because amarr have cap reduction for their ships and other dmg types does not use cap)

tweaking these stats will probably only move blasters closer to autocannons, which is not intended direction. What about giving hybrids possibility to shoot auxiliary ammo?

This ammunition would do 0 damage, but would have other effects like ECM, web, knocks off your aligment, etc. (exact details can be worked on)

Together with maybe slight increase in damage it could justify having harsh fitting requirements, cap usage and long ammo switch time.

Similar solution could be used for railguns maybe with different effects.

Special hybrid ship bonus?

Guns that can shoot temporary swarms of drones that deal damage like any drone can do!
:)

They stream out like Stargate SG1/Atlantis Ancient chair device!

BOOOM BOOOOM BOOOM!

They can hit multiple targets before expiring!

While I realize that having the option to change damage type seems appealing, please consider the many active, cap using, modules these ships typically fit. Especially the active tanked ones. Say you're out in a Hyperion, there's plenty to manage already without having consider the type of ammunition you're using for the "right" damage. Besides, as I understand it, hybrid ammunition already has one of the best damage profiles.

or for pvp damage type is kinda mute since people omni tank... but for pve it actually does help... in alot of cases either kinetic or thermal can be secondary or even terciary damage types and if you had to option to choose which one let it be higher thermal for killing drones or higher kinetic for killing guristas that would help in the pve department...

my other ideas short range arties for blasters and long range autos for rails will help in both the pve and pvp deparments... common guys use your big boy hats for once....

Indeed. That's how I'd have to go about it. After the projectile changes, Minmatar pilots are encouraged to bring three to four different types of ammunition, depending the kind of fleet and expected opposition. This hurts their ability to bring e.g. cap boosters, which wold be even worse for Gallente ships. And since I would therefore ignore the damage type, I'd prefer it if just stayed "as is".

As has been mentioned, there's been a lot of input on the subject of hybrids. Reading the various threads on the topic, it's been hard to impossible to distill any kind of consensus on the matter. It seems everyone has a favorite that someone else is opposed to. All ranging from the fantastic (150% damage and/or RoF increase, 100% AB bonus for the Megathron, etc) to the more subtle, but with valid counter points. I could add my favorites as well I suppose, but it would only be some composition of what has already been talked about.

What I will add though is that I'd like to see something done to the guns themselves, not the ammunition or ship bonuses. Ammunition for reasons already stated and ship bonuses because it would inherently mean we loose one bonus on ships that don't already have a hybrid bonus. Then again, that may or may not be a bad thing, depending on the ship, and I suppose quite a few Amarrian ships have this to offset the various weaknesses of lasers (cap usage comes to mind).

Anyway, I don't envy CCP the job of trying to come up with something that works here. I've been mostly pleased with their changes in the past, so I trust they can read more sense out of these discussions that I'm able to in my spare time. In the mean time, I still like my Deimos (except the paint job) and don't mind waiting now that I know it will be looked at. After all, it seems most agree that it can only get better.

I still think blasters merit a buff, although smaller than some suggestions. But yes, rails are royally screwed....damage is low as all hell...

Why?

Ship can have up to 5 bonuses, and I will keep coming back to this point: if you change the guns or the ammo, that will allow for any ship to gain the same advantage.

The short-comings of the Hybrids are a result of poorly thought out game changes, and none of those changes were to hybrid weaponry...

Because you can't add another bonus to a ship that is supposed to use hybrids without also adding another bonus to the same ship of the other races.

If you did, that hybrid ship would be overpowered. And if you add another bonus to the same ship of other races, hybrids users loose again because the added bonus was "wasted" on fixing the turrets while the others likely got something specific for their role.



I partly agree. I don't think they were necessarily poorly thought out, but you're right that nothing has changed with hybrids themselves to get us to where we are today.

Which means that one way to go about it would be to nerf projectiles/lasers/missiles/whatever instead. I believe that will upset a lot more people than whatever boost they can come up with for hybrids though.

Not sure I understand.

Why can't you add ship bonuses to hybrid ships and not add bonuses to non-hybrid ships.

If you are adding ship bonuses to affect the usability / piloting of hybrid ships when using hybrids, then why would that be overpowered?

If it boosted the ships too much, then there is failure in the bonuses that have been applied and that would have to be thought out carefully through testing, testing and more testing.

There is an entire server dedicated to testing, would be a good place to do this, one would think...instead of blanket nerfing the entire game because a nanophoon broke the ability of Destiny to calculate x,y,z positioning