EVE General Discussion

I have a question that has been bothering me for a little while. I ask knowing full well I will probably not be answered just flamed. Ok so here goes, why is it that everyone in Eve hates on industrialist so hard? I mean you have people doing all kinds of things in this game and everyone respects their right to do those things. Any time you see forum post about pirates or awoxers people just laugh and say good job. But if someone post something about how mechanics like the war dec system are unfair in certain aspects they get called carebears. I understand that all of these things are part of the sandbox game, but I don't understand the attitude of Eve pilots in general when it comes to industrial pilots. Why aren't pvpers called carebears for voicing their opinions about other aspects of the game?

People posting about how they had fun in the game get treated with respect.



People whining that X is unfair get told to leave.

I don't hate on Industrialists, Miners or Freighter Pilots.

I DO hate on Entitled Highsec Industrialists, AFK Miners and AFK Autopiloting Frieghter Pilots.

Pirates and awoxers receive as much, if not more, abuse on the forums that anyone else. The standard term around here for anyone that engages in non-consensual pvp seems to be "sociopath" and there are constant calls for them to be banned and for their playstyle to the nerfed.


That has little to do with the profession of the pilot and more to do with the attitude. If you complain and ask for someone else to take responsibility to fix what you perceive as a problem, you deserve to be called a carebear.

If you have a problem, work out how to solve it yourself and then solve it. Take responsibility for it rather than asking CCP to permit your play by stopping someone else's. You have all the tools necessary yourself to disrupt the play you don't agree with.


Industrial pilots play as valid a game as anyone else and that is a view shared by most as far as I've read.


EDIT: Beaten by PotatoOverdose......

Well since everyone has pretty much answered this question....

Good teamwork, everyone. High-fives all round.

And I do not hate anyone, even a carebear.

I may dislike something they do....like not being able to hold their composure in a game.

But yea, hate is a strong word.

The people that get ridiculed are usually:

-Not very bright like those that fall for scams then whine,

-Inconsiderate like the above scammed person demanding CCP fixes the game to their liking then does not care how it affects anyone else,

-Entitled like the above scammed person thinking they are entitled to compensation and furiously arguing with a GM over a petition because that scammer clearly broke rule 1111 in the EULA. Then when that doesn't work posting a forum thread.

-Obnoxious like the above scammed person doubling down on their abhorrent opinion in their terrible thread after they've been called out and shown the error in their argument/logic using reasonably acceptable means. Then when that thread gets locked because the ISD are having none of that crap on page 1 in GD for 10 weeks they reopen the thread to rage about the ISD and the things that made them mad. They do all of this without providing us with a hilarious meltdown.

To make things even clearer I'll give you an example and point out where each of these is evident in someone you probably refer to as an industrialist.

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Thread title: 5m isk ship vs 325m ship

Posts from the OP and commentary in parenthesis:

-"I was afk in a belt and a catalyst warped to me then ganked my hulk. Its not fair that a 5m ship can kill my 325m ship. CCP needs to change this now or I quit." (The OP was mining AFK in an expensive untanked paper thin object, not bright.)

-"I shouldn't have to worry about anything I'm supposed to be safe in highsec. There should only be pvp like duels in highsec." (The OP thinks they are entitled to risk free activity and if there is pvp it has to be consensual.)

-"No it costs 100 times more than the catalyst so it should survive." (The OP relies upon isk tanking as a reasonable argument no matter how many ways its shown to be a bad argument. The OP repeatedly doubles down on this logic.)

-"CONCORD should stop people from killing me." (The OP is not respectful of other peoples game play and wants a huge change just so they can AFK mine.)

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That was actually a thread an AFK miner made pre-barge buff. Its tamer than your usual thread as well there should be intervals of the OP telling people they are horrible IRL because they do bad things in a video game. As you can see from the thread industrialists aren't hated but the majority of people who are hated live in highsec and participate in some sort of industry/pve.

You could solve this perception problem if highsec was nerfed because then we could kill the people we don't like.


E: If you want a current example look at the post above mine.

E2: The strike out is no longer accurate.

I'm a ganker, but I do a lot of building of stuff too.

Gotta drive demand for the merchandise, you know?

Yawn factor 50. Yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn.

As a highsec industrialist with a lower tolerance than most, I can attest to both of these.

It is not hate towards industrialists. I do industry myself, while living in low sec and sometimes high sec doing suicide ganks etc.
What a lot of EVE players despise is people wanting to change the game to the worse. There are literally thousands of games out there, where pvp is an option and you can be as stupid as you want with no consequense. This is the only game in such a large scale, where everything you do will come at a cost. If you play bad, you are gonna have to spend a lot of time getting new isk.

So when someone comes in with clearly no clue, claiming how putting an end to suicide ganks and awoxers will flood this game with new subs, people get annoyed. First of all, they are wrong. Moving from a niche to mainstream will not give more subscribers in the long run. It will merely push the loyal fans away and attract the people who swaps games on a weekly basis.

In order to prevent this from happening, we have to give whiners a hard time so they are not heard.