Warfare & Tactics

Not sure if this is new, but...

What about adding 'Kill Points' to Loyalty Points?


You get LPs for plexing, missioning, killing the enemy as today.

You get KPs ONLY for killing the enemy (PVP, not PVE).

Something like 1KP for T1 frigs, 2KPs for dessies, 3 KPs for T2 frigs, 4KPs for cruisers, etc. (no KPs for rookie ships).
To avoid exploits, KPs earned would be FIXED per hull type, but the killmail would need to be of a minimum value per hull type, say 1 Million ISK for frigs, 2-3 for dessies and so on - corresponding to at least a basic T1 combat fit.


In the LP store, KPs would be necessary to get most or all of the items. Think a Navy Comet: 1 Incursus, 1 Gamma Nexus Chip, 10,000 LPs, 2 KPs.


Could farmers just kill an alt? Yes, but 1) effort 2) significantly cuts into their profit. Worst case, PVPers still have a cost (profit) advantage in LP cash-in.

Could they join militia fleets just to farm KPs? Yes, but 1) someone has to invite them 2) if they fight, they're welcome


Why do this? To have less people just farming plexes without actively participating in FW PVP + to encourage PVP even more. In other words, to promote content over farming.


All figures would need careful balancing of course.

Thoughts, y'all?

I could kill an alt over and over and over and over and etc....

Too easy to exploit.

You get LP for killing ships. The reason it's so low is so that you can't abuse it to make a profit. You get somewhere between 100-1000 LP for a typical kill. That is 100,000-1,000,000 ISK per kill; almost exactly what you are proposing the KP system would cash out. So this is already a FW mechanic.

True, but it's not the same because you do not NEED to kill ships to get LP.

Also, because of the anti-abuse mechanic you mention, LPs from kills are very very low compared to LPs from plexing or missioning.

With this mechanic, killing ships would be NECESSARY because that would be the ONLY source of Kill Points.

Similar effect to Veskrashen's idea of reducing LP payouts for plexes and missions, but a stronger incentive to PVP imo.

you are getting killpoints already, not much use for those but...

That wouldn't be necessary, active PVP-ers would already have more than enough KPs to buy Loyalty Store items, LPs would still be the bottleneck.

Also, I seriously doubt that would happen in any case. But how would you know? You're not even in FW and your killboard shows zero lifetime kills/losses.


If you're an alt, at least post with your main if you're planning on posting stuff like this:
in response to honest efforts to stimulate discussion and possibly improve everybody's game.




EDIT: the point on ship insurance is a valid one though, I edited the OP to take it into account

A stupid idea is a stupid idea regardless of who thinks it's stupid. Besides the added grind FOR NO REASON it adds nothing to gameplay, has a dozen holes in it, and does not even consider the logistics of the matter.

The fixed 'Kill Point' amount per hull type should avoid that, also you would still need LPs to buy Loyalty Store items.

On a side note, I think CCP's reaction to that exploit was too much of a quick & lazy fix. For example, they could've limited the ship value calculation to common pvp modules, of which it would be extremely difficult to manipulate the price.

No.

Not needed and not wanted.

@Irya Boone
Maybe too extreme, but yeah shifting LP rewards strongly towards kills vs. plexing is probably the most simple solution.

CCP just needs to put a little effort in making it almost impossible to exploit. As I stated before, only considering the most common modules (say, top 300 pvp items) to estimate ship value should do the trick. Good luck Goons artificially driving DC2s to 10Bil ISK a piece.


@Taoist Dragon
I'm sure you and XG are right about the effectiveness of stronger NPCs, but why not entirely remove the root cause of a ton of LP awarded just for sitting for a while in space?