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Laendra
Universalis Imperium
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2014-04-23 21:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Laendra
it keeps redirecting to the main eveonline.com site

nevermind...

goto http://community.testeveonline.com/support/api-key to create your keys

although that site never comes up...Roll
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#102 - 2014-04-23 21:40:17 UTC
Laendra wrote:
it keeps redirecting to the main eveonline.com site

nevermind...

goto http://community.testeveonline.com/support/api-key to create your keys

although that site never comes up...Roll


You need to already have an API key. community on testeveonline.come is not running. Sorry.

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Polarina
EVE University
Ivy League
#103 - 2014-04-23 23:44:30 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:

Would it be possible to get the dates into ISO format, like the rest of the API does? That is, the YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS format.

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Laendra
Universalis Imperium
Goonswarm Federation
#104 - 2014-04-24 02:42:21 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Laendra wrote:
it keeps redirecting to the main eveonline.com site

nevermind...

goto http://community.testeveonline.com/support/api-key to create your keys

although that site never comes up...Roll


You need to already have an API key. community on testeveonline.come is not running. Sorry.


Will our tranquility keys work?
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#105 - 2014-04-24 07:48:06 UTC
Polarina wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:

Would it be possible to get the dates into ISO format, like the rest of the API does? That is, the YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS format.


They are not! /derp! Well thats dumb dumb of me. Todays a day off here but I was going to go into the office anyways. I will try and see if I can figure out whats up with that. Sorry!

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#106 - 2014-04-24 07:48:46 UTC
Laendra wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Laendra wrote:
it keeps redirecting to the main eveonline.com site

nevermind...

goto http://community.testeveonline.com/support/api-key to create your keys

although that site never comes up...Roll


You need to already have an API key. community on testeveonline.come is not running. Sorry.


Will our tranquility keys work?


Possibly. Depends when you made them. Give them a try. When TQ gets mirrored to Sisi that includes the API keys.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#107 - 2014-04-24 09:57:40 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Polarina wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:

Would it be possible to get the dates into ISO format, like the rest of the API does? That is, the YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS format.


They are not! /derp! Well thats dumb dumb of me. Todays a day off here but I was going to go into the office anyways. I will try and see if I can figure out whats up with that. Sorry!


OK, update deployed to Sisi. Updated the times in Colonies and Pins. Let me know if there is anything I missed. :)

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#108 - 2014-04-24 14:14:28 UTC
OK, I have a fix for the locations endpoint shitting itself when an invalid ID is supplied. The question is which would you guys prefer.

1) Return the invalid items with blank name, and 0's for X, Y, Z
2) Drop invalid items from the return all together.

Let me know which you think would be better. :)

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#109 - 2014-04-24 14:28:15 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
OK, I have a fix for the locations endpoint shitting itself when an invalid ID is supplied. The question is which would you guys prefer.

1) Return the invalid items with blank name, and 0's for X, Y, Z
2) Drop invalid items from the return all together.

Let me know which you think would be better. :)



1 is easier to handle, rather than having to maintain a list of what you asked for, and knocking bits off it to see what's left.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#110 - 2014-04-24 14:32:07 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
OK, I have a fix for the locations endpoint shitting itself when an invalid ID is supplied. The question is which would you guys prefer.

1) Return the invalid items with blank name, and 0's for X, Y, Z
2) Drop invalid items from the return all together.

Let me know which you think would be better. :)



1 is easier to handle, rather than having to maintain a list of what you asked for, and knocking bits off it to see what's left.


This is how I felt... will wait until more people chime in though.

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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#111 - 2014-04-24 14:32:19 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
OK, I have a fix for the locations endpoint shitting itself when an invalid ID is supplied. The question is which would you guys prefer.

1) Return the invalid items with blank name, and 0's for X, Y, Z
2) Drop invalid items from the return all together.

Let me know which you think would be better. :)


2) as a blank name is not a good invalid-indicator, nor is a location of 0,0,0.

Fuzzysteve wrote:
1 is easier to handle, rather than having to maintain a list of what you asked for, and knocking bits off it to see what's left.

you should always check if what you get in reply actually fits what you asked for..

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Laendra
Universalis Imperium
Goonswarm Federation
#112 - 2014-04-24 15:10:22 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
OK, I have a fix for the locations endpoint shitting itself when an invalid ID is supplied. The question is which would you guys prefer.

1) Return the invalid items with blank name, and 0's for X, Y, Z
2) Drop invalid items from the return all together.

Let me know which you think would be better. :)


Do the same thing you do when someone provides an invalid ID for anything else...

Add a new API Error Code in the 100 series, "Invalid **** Id specified", and return that whenever the ID is invalid

or, if you tried to pass an ID to which you do not have access to (such as it belongs to another person/corp's PI)
Add a new API Error Code in the 200 series, "Id does not belong to account"
Laendra
Universalis Imperium
Goonswarm Federation
#113 - 2014-04-24 15:14:59 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Laendra wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Laendra wrote:
it keeps redirecting to the main eveonline.com site

nevermind...

goto http://community.testeveonline.com/support/api-key to create your keys

although that site never comes up...Roll


You need to already have an API key. community on testeveonline.come is not running. Sorry.


Will our tranquility keys work?


Possibly. Depends when you made them. Give them a try. When TQ gets mirrored to Sisi that includes the API keys.


Looks like they expire them when the mirror is done...I tried a non-expiring key, and it told me it was expired.
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#114 - 2014-04-24 15:36:22 UTC
Laendra wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Laendra wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Laendra wrote:
it keeps redirecting to the main eveonline.com site

nevermind...

goto http://community.testeveonline.com/support/api-key to create your keys

although that site never comes up...Roll


You need to already have an API key. community on testeveonline.come is not running. Sorry.


Will our tranquility keys work?


Possibly. Depends when you made them. Give them a try. When TQ gets mirrored to Sisi that includes the API keys.


Looks like they expire them when the mirror is done...I tried a non-expiring key, and it told me it was expired.


****... sorry. :(

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#115 - 2014-04-24 15:37:15 UTC
Laendra wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
OK, I have a fix for the locations endpoint shitting itself when an invalid ID is supplied. The question is which would you guys prefer.

1) Return the invalid items with blank name, and 0's for X, Y, Z
2) Drop invalid items from the return all together.

Let me know which you think would be better. :)


Do the same thing you do when someone provides an invalid ID for anything else...

Add a new API Error Code in the 100 series, "Invalid **** Id specified", and return that whenever the ID is invalid

or, if you tried to pass an ID to which you do not have access to (such as it belongs to another person/corp's PI)
Add a new API Error Code in the 200 series, "Id does not belong to account"




I don't think our error handling really supports saying WHAT failed.

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Laendra
Universalis Imperium
Goonswarm Federation
#116 - 2014-04-24 16:16:50 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Laendra wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
OK, I have a fix for the locations endpoint shitting itself when an invalid ID is supplied. The question is which would you guys prefer.

1) Return the invalid items with blank name, and 0's for X, Y, Z
2) Drop invalid items from the return all together.

Let me know which you think would be better. :)


Do the same thing you do when someone provides an invalid ID for anything else...

Add a new API Error Code in the 100 series, "Invalid **** Id specified", and return that whenever the ID is invalid

or, if you tried to pass an ID to which you do not have access to (such as it belongs to another person/corp's PI)
Add a new API Error Code in the 200 series, "Id does not belong to account"




I don't think our error handling really supports saying WHAT failed.


errorCode="107" errorText="Invalid beforeRefID provided."
errorCode="213" errorText="Character must have Factory Manager role."
Laendra
Universalis Imperium
Goonswarm Federation
#117 - 2014-04-24 16:22:24 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Laendra wrote:


Looks like they expire them when the mirror is done...I tried a non-expiring key, and it told me it was expired.


****... sorry. :(



So hard to test without it :)
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#118 - 2014-04-24 16:36:13 UTC
Laendra wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Laendra wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
OK, I have a fix for the locations endpoint shitting itself when an invalid ID is supplied. The question is which would you guys prefer.

1) Return the invalid items with blank name, and 0's for X, Y, Z
2) Drop invalid items from the return all together.

Let me know which you think would be better. :)


Do the same thing you do when someone provides an invalid ID for anything else...

Add a new API Error Code in the 100 series, "Invalid **** Id specified", and return that whenever the ID is invalid

or, if you tried to pass an ID to which you do not have access to (such as it belongs to another person/corp's PI)
Add a new API Error Code in the 200 series, "Id does not belong to account"




I don't think our error handling really supports saying WHAT failed.


errorCode="107" errorText="Invalid beforeRefID provided."
errorCode="213" errorText="Character must have Factory Manager role."


Yea, but not with what ID failed. Thats the problem, if people don't know what ID failed they have to keep retrying different chunks until they find it.

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#119 - 2014-04-24 16:37:57 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
OK, I have a fix for the locations endpoint shitting itself when an invalid ID is supplied. The question is which would you guys prefer.

1) Return the invalid items with blank name, and 0's for X, Y, Z
2) Drop invalid items from the return all together.

Let me know which you think would be better. :)

#1 is good, but I'd like to requst a possible augment -- could the row in question also have an XML attribute that explicitly marks the row as invalid?

e.g.:

< row itemID="123456789" x="0" y="0" z="0" invalid="true" />

That being said, I don't know if tacking in extra attributes like that has the potential to break existing third-party code. Surely, any sane implementation would be able to swallow it, but I'd ask anyone paying attention to weigh in and let us know if it did.

In any case, it's just fluff; 0,0,0 is detectable and works.

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#120 - 2014-04-24 17:04:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lors Dornick
Querns wrote:


In any case, it's just fluff; 0,0,0 is detectable and works.

While I agree that it's fluff, it also raises some rather hairy and uncomfortable memories of unexpected and unexplainable errors crashes caused by Ye Olde "let's indicate error by returning a value that never ever will be valid (at least not in the current design and according to what we know now)".

Some explicit "this line is false/failed" can't be that much more expensive and far safer.

And besides, the latter is "Good Design", instead of "it effing works doesn't it?" ;)

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