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What would the reaction be if...

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Ren Coursa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-04-23 08:47:29 UTC
... CCP came out and said there would be no expansion or fanfest for a year and that they would divert all their efforts to rewriting old code and fixing bugs, no ui, no balancing, no new features etc?

From reading the forums i get the impression that people are sick and tired of all the promises and soon™, and that they (you) probably wouldnt care.

Problem is that forums are always, by their nature, filled with the vocal minority. How would this go over with the general player base you think?

Personally i wouldn't mind a year if it meant that future updates could be implemented faster and better due to a more up to date coding.
And as hyped as i get for fanfest i have been around long enough to get a feel for the vaporware promises ccp often give so again i wouldn't mind them focusing on something boring for a year anyways.
But i don't really know that much about coding in general and ccps specifically so i can't really speculate as to how much of a problem the old code is and what it would take to fix it.

Thoughts?
Solecist Project
#2 - 2014-04-23 08:48:21 UTC
*sips tea*

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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#3 - 2014-04-23 08:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Shederov Blood
There would be endless whining from Dinsdale over every nullsec bug that gets fixed. Heck, even the highsec fixes would be called "nerfs."

Who put the goat in there?
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-04-23 08:54:43 UTC
Ren Coursa wrote:
... CCP came out and said there would be no expansion or fanfest for a year and that they would divert all their efforts to rewriting old code and fixing bugs, no ui, no balancing, no new features etc?



They sort'a did that already. Kept EVE at bare minimum for years as they allegedly worked on all the magic of Incarna and WIS.

In the end we got a door and hungover coders.

Hence the Jita riots.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-04-23 08:57:04 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
*sips tea*

*sips the whole cup of tea*

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#6 - 2014-04-23 08:58:18 UTC
Problem with fixing bugs and code only is that those improvements are mostly invisible to end users, hence you would have to waste most of your time entertaining the masses with massive dev blogs that would bore most of us to tears.
Dave Stark
#7 - 2014-04-23 08:59:02 UTC
depends on what they were fixing, and if it would actually get released in a reasonable timeframe.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2014-04-23 08:59:24 UTC
Ren Coursa wrote:
How would this go over with the general player base you think?

A couple of my in game friends complain every exapansion because it's a big patch. They have no idea that new content is being added or things updated until they find them in game and then go "hey, when did this happen?".

For them, it would be no problem. They wouldn't even notice.

For the rest of the player base, who knows? They never seem to say much.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#9 - 2014-04-23 08:59:36 UTC
I would say CCP should finally hire devs able to walk and talk at the same time. Since when software is made in "only fixes or only features" mode?

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Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-04-23 09:01:48 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Ren Coursa wrote:
How would this go over with the general player base you think?

A couple of my in game friends complain every exapansion because it's a big patch. They have no idea that new content is being added or things updated until they find them in game and then go "hey, when did this happen?".

For them, it would be no problem. They wouldn't even notice.

For the rest of the player base, who knows? They never seem to say much.



I think eve-mails to the players with a link to the dev blogs explaining just what was done would help. Searching for these stupid blogs is half the battle.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#11 - 2014-04-23 09:03:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Well the thing is, CCP is not just a group of coders. Do they lay off all the other jobs for the year? So they are undoubtedly going to work on art assets, audio, balancing, various things that a wide variety of jobs do.

But sure, I would go with it in theory, but it's just not how things operate if you want to retain your talent.

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#12 - 2014-04-23 09:03:28 UTC
The question is, "would they actually deliver?"

...
Solecist Project
#13 - 2014-04-23 09:05:29 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
*sips tea*

*sips the whole cup of tea*
:(

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-04-23 09:06:47 UTC
Ren Coursa wrote:
Thoughts?
Yep, somebody would find a way to tell you how completely screwed he is now that his income per hour is reduced by 2.5% and that he'll be rage quitting immediately if he doesn't get another apocrypha expansion right now.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-04-23 09:07:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Doireen Kaundur wrote:


In the end we got a door and hungover coders.

Hence the Jita riots.
You make it sound as if the riots came after the door.

But know this, the door will never open because of the riots. Blink

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#16 - 2014-04-23 09:10:09 UTC
Same as always

"Cool"
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-04-23 09:13:25 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Doireen Kaundur wrote:


In the end we got a door and hungover coders.

Hence the Jita riots.
You make it sound as if the riots came after the door.

But know this, the door will never open because of the riots. Blink


It did come after the door.

Station hanger was taken away. Only CQ avaialble was Minmitar. If you didnt want the load time (or fried GPU) you had the option to turn off CQ but were faced with a "door."


Followed by "greed-is-good" and $70 worthless bling in the NeX.

It was a powder keg waiting to go off.

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Ren Coursa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-04-23 10:12:34 UTC
Doireen Kaundur wrote:
Ren Coursa wrote:
... CCP came out and said there would be no expansion or fanfest for a year and that they would divert all their efforts to rewriting old code and fixing bugs, no ui, no balancing, no new features etc?



They sort'a did that already. Kept EVE at bare minimum for years as they allegedly worked on all the magic of Incarna and WIS.

In the end we got a door and hungover coders.

Hence the Jita riots.


That's sort of the exact opposite though. They suspend every thing else but a big feature. That didn't go over very well, i wonder if the other extreme of that spectrum would cause the same stir.
Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-04-23 10:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

The "old code" as you put it is literally untouchable. Not in a stupid tumblrena literally but a Oxford English Dictionary literally. Noone still working at CCP knows how that code works (and some parts they don't even have the source code for anymore) and they cannot touch it without risking breaking EVERYTHING. It would need a complete rewrite from scratch, and then everything that ever referenced it would also need a from scratch rewrite.

Considering they just wrote off MILLIONS of dollars because of the stupidity that was WOD, don't expect them to be able to pump any money into that monumental task right now, since it would (again, OED) literally mean rewriting 10+ years of Python garbage from scratch.

*Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal. the server code is single threaded. SINGLE. FREAKING. THREADED. And there is ZERO way to fix that without a complete rewrite and blood sacrifices to Níðhöggr.

It's like upgrading an old PC. You wanna add ram, so you need a new Mobo, which means a new PSU, which means a new GPU etc etc.
Ren Coursa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-04-23 10:17:53 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Well the thing is, CCP is not just a group of coders. Do they lay off all the other jobs for the year? So they are undoubtedly going to work on art assets, audio, balancing, various things that a wide variety of jobs do.

But sure, I would go with it in theory, but it's just now how things operate if you want to retain your talent.


Art departments also have alot of gruntwork they seem to be behind on, only releasing updated textures and shaders some ships at the time.
I get what you are aiming at however and people in the more creative, conceptual positions would be sort of screwed i guess.
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