Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently penalties for suicide ganking...

Direct Penalties:
- you lose your ship
- you lose any insurance you have the ship
- you lose Security Status
- you gain a Suspect Flag for 10-15 minutes and can be shot at by anyone and everyone in the game without penalty
- you gain a Criminal Flag for 15 minutes (see: can't undock in high-sec in anything other than a pod without being CONCORDed again)


Indirect Penalties:
- if your Security Status goes low enough (see: below -5.0) then you can be shot by anyone, anywhere, at any time.
- if your Security Status goes below certain levels then you will find yourself less and less able to enter higher security systems without the Faction Police attacking you (you can still avoid them in smaller ships though).
- with lower Security Status you will be less and less able to get new supplies from high-sec trade hubs and/or must buy from low-sec stations at a premium and/or must rely on friends/alts to resupply you.
- if you want to raise your Security Status you must either kill pirate NPCs for a godawful amount of time or spend a fair bit of cash to buy the security tags needed.


Other Risks:
- you botch the gank attempt and eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- the target may be tanked more than you think... resulting in a failed gank attempt where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- the target never shows and you have wasted time.
- the loot that you are ganking for never drops... resulting in a failed gank where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- the gank is successful, the loot you want drops, but someone else picked it up before your friend/alt did... resulting in a failed gank where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- you don't have enough people to properly suicide gank.


tl;dr...
- professional gankers (who are usually -10 already) won't care about this change and will continue on as usual.
- "casual" players who want to try it once or twice just to see what it is will be discouraged from ever trying it (thus limiting their perspective in the game).
- if a newbie makes a mistake (as they often do) they will be suck in a position they won't know how to crawl out of (see: they have no "support network" that the vets have, probably not enough money to buy Security Status Tags, and little understanding about how to survive in low-sec).

Hello,

risk-averse

another innocent carebear in high sec!

Risk vs reward!

What do you think?

EDIT: That was a lot of edits for such a short post... (o_ô)

I think you should have checked the "Commonly Proposed Ideas" thread.

Suicide Gankers should make even Pirates throw up.

Every time you gank you lose security status, standing with the local NPC corps...all of them and CONCORD. The more you gank means the longer you remain a target for someone to attack.

For example if you reach a -.1 status because of ganking you would remain flashy to everyone for three days. The only way to get around staying flashy red for three days is to go into low sector and secure a Return to High Sector Permit from one of the low sector rat ships at the gates or the belts.

Each Permit reduces the three day penalty by six hours. So in order to return to high sector you would need a total of 12 Permits issued by the low sector rats to clear the three day penalty timer.

Equal justice for those who unequally justify their existence.