EVE General Discussion

Well then there would be little to no reason to start new threads in GD and then EVE would die™

As a relatively new player (I've been playing for less than a year), I don't really get what the big problem is .

A lot of you seasoned pros seem ticked off about high-sec, and as a high-sec player, it kind of ticks me off to see.

Some of you guys seem upset that the rewards in high security space are too great, and I can understand that, I guess.

...But most of you just sound like bitter haters.

If you're already established in the game, then who cares about where the majority of the population spends their time?

If all you care about is getting blown up, then there are enough players in null sec, or low sec who can make that happen for you.

I don't really think these discussions about changing things in high sec really help, because experienced players seem to all have the same opinion ("Eve is hard. In Eve you die often. It's the game. Get used to it. Blah blah blah").

If certain players (like myself) are okay with playing the game with little risk and small rewards, then that's our business... But reducing our rewards to nothing (and don't tell me that 1% isn't nothing... Because it basically is) is lame, and will only cause more problems than it could ever solve.

Leave us carebears alone .

+1 for making me have a good laugh.

I didn't go to Amarr for some time now. Guess I really should .

I think this is about players who still think highsec is not safe enough, because you can get ganked (and bumped, apparently). Those who don't want to have little risk, but no risk. Those who complain and want to change highsec themselves, make it 100% safe, but still get the same rewards.
The OP is proposing that in that case the rewards should be severely reduced as well.

If you think highsec is fine as it is, then nobody here said anything about taking away your rewards.

I'd support permadeath though, have done it in other mmo's. So here you get to duplicate a clone, shared assets, resets it to 0-SP with a ~4x training multiplier (4x faster than normal). Once podded, it's dead, and then you can duplicate another clone provided you meet the requirements: payment, mission, random number generator, whatever just not handed to you - not instant.
None of that f2p crap suggested though..

What if we went an entire week without idiotic threads about destroying hi sec....It is not going to happen, but if it does there will be a silent exodus and those that remain will wonder why the player base just dropped 50 percent. Null and low must not be as exciting as you claim or you wouldn't have so much time to spend on the forums worrying about what others are doing in the game.

What would be more interesting would be to completely remove null-sec, no more timers, no ego wars, no need for null-sec folk to cry poverty all the time, and above all, no way or need to fight for or hold sov.

Make hi-sec much smaller and turn all of null into lo-sec.

It will never happen, but I think it would greatly improve the game.

why you say that?

I just enountered some kind of paradoxon and my mind cannot process that...

In general, I support reductions to security in all sectors of space, with one exception: rookie systems.

Ganking is a strange anomaly, but Im ok with it. It carries degrees of logistic and organisational difficulty, as well as a security loss. Ganking is a "necessary evil" so that the Golden Rules of EVE are observed also in high-sec. A fully bling Mission shipl which no longer is at risk from the pve content it plays, needs to remain at risk from pvp aggression.

High sec wardec mechanics could use further Dev consideration. I dont think its quite as streamlined and consistent as the game deserves.

On the point of rookie systems, I firmly maintain that it is necessary for there to be incubation syatems for new players in order for them to learn the basics of EVEs ropes. Anyone who has doubts about that, need only roll a trial and observe Rookie chat a bit. We need these players to stay in EVE. It is essentiql to EVEs continuity. You wouldnt believe how many very simple things that the rest of us take for granted, are incredibly difficult for new players to get to grips with.

There are two kinds of rookies. Those who are generally experienced with games, learn fast, understand thr UI etc and are basically "ready" to take thr plunge early. But the other kind take longer to figure things out. Both types are invaluable to all of us as the community. Both can grow into community contributors and great EVE citizens, in their own personal way. But in order to retain the latter group, who take longer, they need an environment to figure the game out in.

I have often read arguments stating that incubation results in these players being unready for the "realities of EVE".
I dont buy that. As much merit as there is for the swimming teaching technique that just throw them in and they will either learn or drown, that results in a substantial part drowning, needlessly, and why? Just cos they didnt learn fast enough before their breath runs out? We cant afford that kind of attrition. If they are to be Darwinistically culled from the game, that can, and will happen, later. There is no need to kill these rookies right at the start. There is ample time for that later.

I have some disagreements with the current Rookie systems. I dont think any system below 1.0 security should be designated as such. I cant comprehend at all why Hek, for example, is considered a rookie system.If a player feels he is ready to visit his first trade hub in a 0.5 system, then he should know he is no longer in incubation
That system is "real EVE".

Rookie systems should be restricted to the 1.0 starter systems and possibly one peripheral 1.0 system, for purposes of the Tutorials, and the necessary Belts for the mining/manufacture ques involved with them. Removing rats feom 1.0 was good choice, not because Rookies where at risk, but becuase imo these Rookie systems should be kept extremely poor. They need only to provide what Rookies need to get through the Tutorials and starter missiins. Nothing more, nothing less. No sane person should want to remain in them.

Do you guys get what I mean? Make the Rookie systems **** poor starting zones, akin to those in other games starting zones. Theonly purpose of which is to learn the ropes, and then take flight, when you are ready, into the "real EVE", with your training wheels coming off the second you pass through a gate to a non-rookie system.