EVE General Discussion

Bletchley Park always fascinated me.

The main stat-lie with highsec is that most days, the largest loss systems are all newbie systems, and the ships being lost are all agent supplied. As an unrepententant PVE focused player, I have killed I think 12 other player ships since I've been out here and a few pods. In years in highsec i killed nothing.

Also lets not forget the forever war that is red vs blue.

The short answer is 'No'
The reason is because of the multiplicative effect of rewards. Lets look at in terms of ships which people understand. If every single module on your ship, and your base ship is 5% better, the end result is not a ship that is 5% better but a ship that is factors better.

However, overall each entire profession (Roughly speaking) should be more attractive overall. Risk vs Reward does apply, but you can't claim it on a penny counting scale without breaking the system long term. Especially since risk vs reward can not actually be properly quantified nor is it a linear scale per CCP's announced design but an exponential scale. (I.E. Double risk != double reward).

What this means is that overall an Industrialist should be able to make more profit (or at least more product as Null industrialists may measure profit in terms of helping the alliance partly also) in the same time in Null compared to high. But this does not mean that every single aspect needs to be better. If Null production lines are 10% faster for example, but cost 10% more per hour. This means that per ship made they cost the same because the lines are faster, but over a month the Industrialist makes 10% more ships so gets 10% more profit. Overall they actually make more, but they don't need the lines to be cheaper as well to achieve this extra profit.

If the lines are cheaper however, that creates a multiplicative effect where they make 110%*110% which goes to 121%. If we then have another 5 110% factors, that multiplicative effect starts to get to really serious size. The larger the percentage difference, the faster the multiplicative effect becomes serious. So, it's ok for certain things in Null to be 'worse' or equal to high sec, as long as the overall profession gains advantages.

Keep trying Scipio

Got it at last! (or minus one eleventh. or multiply by 462 and divide by 463)

Damn, my math is bad today. Who'd of thunk I did so well in it at uni so many years ago. Should use a calculator in future. Second edit coming.

Must be why I stick to chemistry these days. A bit of this, 2 bits of that and a splash of this stuff. Usually works out ok.

And now something I'm going to agree with Ripard-Teg on now... What's coming over me today :P

But essentially, greater risk should bring greater reward, less risk should equal less reward. Don't know why anyone would argue that point.

With that being said though I believe that null sec is fine and so is high sec. Low sec could use some love though.

No, when people talk about high-sec safety they implicitly speak as if all of highsec was in the starter corporations. But running your own corporation in highsec is pretty high on the risk/reward scale, especially if you're focusing on the industrial side.
In my opinion it would be perfectly fine in game balance terms if say highsec moons were given unique moon goo that was found nowhere else for example.

The real risk/reward disbalance in EvE is between combat ships with tank. mobility and firepower who double as isk printers in combat sites/incursions/missions on the one hand, and paper thin no gun industrial ships who require a battleship escort (or Concord) to even be worth taking out of a hangar.
Rule of thumb guys, if you have guns you're not taking much risks, shut up.

Nullsec is not the endgame of EvE and shouldn't be treated as such. There's just an overabundance of nullsec players in the CSM and among devs that tends to derail the game in a certain direction.

I don't think anyone is arguing that point. Its not really the point of the question, though. The question is whether low risk areas are more valuable to Eve as a whole than high sec areas. I mean, EVERYTHING means, well, everything!

Lets put it this way. You own a big corporate bank. You invest in big, high risk start up projects. Lots of risk, but you fly around in private jets and date super models. \o/

The guys who mop your floors and clean your bathrooms don't do any of that. They show up, punch the clock, and go home at the same time every day. Not much risk, not much reward. Sucks to be them.

However, how much business does your bank get if your bathrooms are always dirty and your floors look like shat? Eh?

So maybe you give the janitors get something the jet set executives don't get, like a defined benefit plan, or snazzy uniforms, or an extra week of vacation. It doesn't have to be much, but there is no reason you can't set aside something special for them, right? Unless you're willing to accept a high turnover rate for that part of the business. But then, if you're constantly retraining and rehiring for that position, your bottom line isn't quite as groovy as it could be, right?

Maybe its a clumsy metaphor, but the point remains. The null-sec crowd are way cooler and get to date cheerleaders. Good for them! Can't the high-sec geeks at least get to edit the school paper? No one reads it anyway........

you can't change the players

so he is wrong: not everything can be made better there