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What kind of world would Eve be without internet anonymity?

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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#81 - 2014-04-01 17:21:52 UTC
Qalix wrote:
I think this game could achieve it's true potential if everyone had 1 account that was tied to a passport (not necessarily publicly viewable, but kept on record by CCP), and each character was visibly linked to the other characters on the account.

The spy game has ruined the potential of EVE to be more like the battle room of Ender's Game. It would be nice to be able to focus on fleets, fights, and the like without all the other baggage EVE brings with it.


I, and I'm sure many others disagree. Things like the spy game and various other opportunities for intrigue make up a lot of what I love about this game.


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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#82 - 2014-04-01 17:23:54 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

As for the OP, I expect we'd see a lot more reports to RL authorities regarding real life threats made from in-game, if there were an easy way to locate and report accurate information to the relevant authorities.



Yep, cuz as we've all seen here recently, CCP sure doesn't do anything about them.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#83 - 2014-04-01 17:26:58 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

As for the OP, I expect we'd see a lot more reports to RL authorities regarding real life threats made from in-game, if there were an easy way to locate and report accurate information to the relevant authorities.



Yep, cuz as we've all seen here recently, CCP sure doesn't do anything about them.




True fact, heh. Currently, yeah, most police will blow off "internet guy threatened me!" You get a slightly different response when you call up a local PD and say "Hey, Bob Miner, address 1234 IGotGanked Ave, is sending me death threats. He lives in your jurisdiction. I want to file a report."

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#84 - 2014-04-01 17:27:01 UTC
Qalix wrote:

Is it seriously not possible to have any discussions about EVE that don't immediately pivot into "This is what EVE is, deal with it?"


No, because people like you don't understand a very simple concept: Sometimes things you don't like still serve a purpose in a complex game.

I don't like how NPC corps are, but there is an advantage to their existence. People don't like ganking and scamming but without them EVE would be a very shallow game. Same with spying I don't much care for it (and have never engaged in it), but that kind of dark intrigue adds a whole hell of a lot of value and content to the game.

Quote:

Can you not cast off your role as protector of the status quo for 5 minutes to just shoot the **** about what if's and whimsical thoughts?


Translation: "can you stop thinking about the reality of a situation and the truth for a second and just entertain some bullshit notion someone pulled out of their arse"?

Answer: "No".
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2014-04-01 19:36:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

IMO it's why you don't see very many self identified high sec player or carebears running for the CSM (for example) while the same CSM is stocked with "griefiers" and members of the legendary and all powerful Null Sec Cartels (lol) who give their real names out as a condition of running.


I would put my name down for that, if I thought people would actually vote for me.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#86 - 2014-04-04 09:15:18 UTC
So funny. What if? The one I like is EVE's complexity. Woo hoo. If it's so complex,
how come it's the favorite haunt of the brain dead sociopathic among us who love:

Game of Thrones
Family Guy
Templars After Us! (eek)
Vampires
Zombies! (eek eek)

Yes, complex. Really. I can see it.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2014-04-04 10:47:34 UTC
Nobody would steal or scam anyone else again and would even be afraid to attack someone else in fear of some lunatic showing up at your doorstep for ganking their jump freighter.

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Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2014-04-04 11:24:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
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His question is laden with what is called an implicit assumption.

Like when someone - perhaps full of good intentions - says "Well what if we tried to reduce the Federal deficit by eliminating welfare spending" when every dollar the US spends on welfare generates 2.4 dollars in GNP, and saves a large but unknown amount of spending on defending against the starving ramaging hordes who would simply take the food and goods they need, because no one is willing to starve to improve interest rates.. The intention is good, the assumption is understandable on a superficial level, but a moment's thought reveals the huge error.

I hope you see the analogy.



Rampaging hordes? Seriously? I do believe the country survived quite a few years before the implementation of the welfare state. And what would the GNP be if the dollars weren't cycled through federal bureaucracies?

I guess I'm dumb, I really do not see the analogy. I do see a CSM member trying to highjack a forum thread with a political rant, which I believe is against the forum rules? Maybe I'm wrong, I'd think a CSM member probably knows the rules better than I.

May I have your stuff?
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-04-04 14:51:36 UTC
Lido Seahawk wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong, I'd think a CSM member probably knows the rules better than I.



it doesn't make them any more knowledgeable or right ..
CSM members can be just as stupid as the rest of us.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#90 - 2014-04-04 16:17:49 UTC
Lido Seahawk wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
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His question is laden with what is called an implicit assumption.

Like when someone - perhaps full of good intentions - says "Well what if we tried to reduce the Federal deficit by eliminating welfare spending" when every dollar the US spends on welfare generates 2.4 dollars in GNP, and saves a large but unknown amount of spending on defending against the starving ramaging hordes who would simply take the food and goods they need, because no one is willing to starve to improve interest rates.. The intention is good, the assumption is understandable on a superficial level, but a moment's thought reveals the huge error.

I hope you see the analogy.



Rampaging hordes? Seriously? I do believe the country survived quite a few years before the implementation of the welfare state. And what would the GNP be if the dollars weren't cycled through federal bureaucracies?

I guess I'm dumb, I really do not see the analogy. I do see a CSM member trying to highjack a forum thread with a political rant, which I believe is against the forum rules? Maybe I'm wrong, I'd think a CSM member probably knows the rules better than I.


Oh god, not another one.
Why can't you libertarians just focus on ganking miners and blaming them for being stupid and weak for being in the same system as you, and leave the hard thinking for others?
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2014-04-04 21:29:29 UTC
If others would do some hard thinking, we wouldn't be needed! Big smile

May I have your stuff?
Kaidu Kahn
POT Corp
#92 - 2014-04-22 15:43:59 UTC
We would see more stuff like this

World Of Warcraft Stabbing
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#93 - 2014-04-22 15:49:43 UTC
Kaidu Kahn wrote:
We would see more stuff like this

World Of Warcraft Stabbing



The funny thing about that (and other s acts of WoW related violence) is that it happened in the king of themepark/no griefing games, while this sandbox 'game of psychopaths' (EVE Online) has several peaceful yearly player gatherings and not one recorded instance of physical violence.
Kaidu Kahn
POT Corp
#94 - 2014-04-22 15:54:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaidu Kahn wrote:
We would see more stuff like this

World Of Warcraft Stabbing



The funny thing about that (and other s acts of WoW related violence) is that it happened in the king of themepark/no griefing games, while this sandbox 'game of psychopaths' (EVE Online) has several peaceful yearly player gatherings and not one recorded instance of physical violence.


Lol, Do drunken bar brawls at fanfest count?
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#95 - 2014-04-22 16:00:30 UTC
Hevymetal wrote:
With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?


It might be interesting but it wouldn't be a game that i'd like to play. Imagine the gankers out there that might wind up with real life death threats addressed to them personally at their home address. Not nice. I like eve but I am disturbed sometimes by the fact that a tiny minority of people cant separate the player from their character.

Ending internet anonymity might put an end to online role playing as well as allowing the emergence of online laws with real online consequences such as losing internet privileges for a month if you upset someone or dont tow the government's official party line.

I firmly believe that the internet has to remain free, open and anonymous because if you don't it will wind up becoming a technological socialist dictatorship colonized by money grabbing big businesses that will do everything that they can to keep you from making and posting content online whilst strong arming you into buying their authorized content.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#96 - 2014-04-22 16:05:53 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
So funny. What if? The one I like is EVE's complexity. Woo hoo. If it's so complex,
how come it's the favorite haunt of the brain dead sociopathic among us who love:

Game of Thrones
Family Guy
Templars After Us! (eek)
Vampires
Zombies! (eek eek)

Yes, complex. Really. I can see it.



It's not the user interface that's complex it's the game and the manifold human interactions behind it.

I don't watch game of thrones
like family guy
know nothing about the Templars other than RL history snippets.
Vampires don't exist
Zombies might exist as drugged forced labourers in Haiti

Don't generalize. 99.9999999% of eve's players are not actually sociopaths. They are are just following and engaging in the game world in a way supported by it's rules, back-story and lore. Eve is dystopian as opposed to Utopian...

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#97 - 2014-04-22 16:09:27 UTC
A better world.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-04-22 16:15:40 UTC
I think it's a safety issue if your name is available and broadcast, especially if you would be easy to find IRL using that name. I tend to treat other people in EVE more or less how I treat them in my personal life (maybe I just lack imagination).. but I don't believe someone needs a negative reason (like.. he took all my ISK!!) to actually want to do something bad to you. People will do bad IRL things for a variety of reasons.

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Salvos Rhoska
#99 - 2014-04-22 17:52:21 UTC
I'm usually very big on internet transparency, and personal responsibility for online conduct.

But EVE gives me pause on that, because as others have outlined, it would impinge on the awox/scam side of things.

I suppose games should hopefully be kept separate from such legislation and afforded space for their own "ingame" personas.

Funny dilemma this, what this thread considers. I have quite some moral difficulty reconciling myself with the questions it raises.

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Winchester Steele
#100 - 2014-04-22 18:22:31 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
So funny. What if? The one I like is EVE's complexity. Woo hoo. If it's so complex,
how come it's the favorite haunt of the brain dead sociopathic among us who love:

Game of Thrones
Family Guy
Templars After Us! (eek)
Vampires
Zombies! (eek eek)

Yes, complex. Really. I can see it.



What are you talking about? I don't like any of that crap you mentioned and I play Eve.

But anyhow, what do random TV shows and zombies (??) have to do with EvE Online?

What a bizarre post.

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