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The real reason PLEX is so expensive

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Solecist Project
#261 - 2014-04-22 17:19:20 UTC
Psion Zateki wrote:
I remember a while back, people on these forums seemed upset that CCP hired a micro transaction expert from EA games. A while later here we are with ship skins and stuff to raise income through plex sales. Isn't it just a subtle way to bring in that micro stuff through the back door?

Stay away from my backdoor micro market guy! Shocked

Nobody really cares as long as this stuff stays away from game mechanics.

I'd rather not have it influence the PLEX price, but I guess CCP knows better.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Salvos Rhoska
#262 - 2014-04-22 17:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Its Bounties and Mission rewards guys.
(And insurance. Pfft)

Its a sobering thought, but really its the only ways ISK enters the game.
So Bounties/Missions for PvE.
Insurance for PvP.

Strange universe we live in.

Anyways, I will deal with PLEX price increase.
I have np paying CCP for my gametime.
Question is though: How many will not.
The 1bil mark is quite a psychological and practical hurdle.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#263 - 2014-04-22 17:20:45 UTC
but while lots of people were opposed to creating entire game elements to fuel demand for microtransactions, and while lots of people were against the pay-to-win transactions ccp seemed to be angling towards, dual character training is useful and supportive of players using multiple characters, and players have been asking for ship skins for a long time, this sentence is really long.
Dave Stark
#264 - 2014-04-22 17:20:49 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its Bounties and Mission rewards guys.
(And insurance. Pfft)

Its a sobering thought, but really its the only ways ISK enters the game.
So Bounties/Missions for PvE.
Insurance for PvP.

Strange universe we live in.

Anyways, I will deal with PLEX price increase.
Question is though: How many will not.
The 1bil mark is quite a psychological and practical hurdle.


and tags.
and insurance for pve.
Psion Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#265 - 2014-04-22 17:21:03 UTC
But by influencing plex prices with no change in in game income etc... it has an effect.
Solecist Project
#266 - 2014-04-22 17:21:33 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Psion Zateki wrote:
I remember a while back, people on these forums seemed upset that CCP hired a micro transaction expert from EA games. A while later here we are with ship skins and stuff to raise income through plex sales. Isn't just a subtle way to bring in that micro stuff through the back door.

Stay away from my backdoor micro market guy! Shocked


the difference is, you can get this "micro transaction" stuff, with ingame currency. (or at least, that's how i understood it... i didn't care enough to read too much in to it)

with other games, the micro transactions are IRL currencies only... which is why people despise them.

No... it's because in most other games you buy things
that give you better stats or boosts to something.

I agree that people in EVE would cry about things they can't buy with ISK,
but there is no indication that it would create a public outcry.

It's all just vanity stuff anyway.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#267 - 2014-04-22 17:21:54 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its Bounties and Mission rewards guys.
(And insurance. Pfft)

Its a sobering thought, but really its the only ways ISK enters the game.
So Bounties/Missions for PvE.
Insurance for PvP.

Strange universe we live in.

Anyways, I will deal with PLEX price increase.
Question is though: How many will not.
The 1bil mark is quite a psychological and practical hurdle.


and tags.
and insurance for pve.

and incursion rewards D:
Solecist Project
#268 - 2014-04-22 17:23:14 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
but while this sentence is really long.
Hahahahahaha xD

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#269 - 2014-04-22 17:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Psion Zateki wrote:
But by influencing plex prices with no change in in game income etc... it has an effect.

That's the price people have to pay for the fact that they can buy all this stuff with ISK.

Remember that the price boosted when the devblog about shipskins came out.
PLEX can be broken to AUR, which are needed for the NEX to get these skins.


Too bad for them... they wanted it that way.


Should have instead sucked it up when they can't afford vanity items with real life money.



typing on mobile got worse today.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Salvos Rhoska
#270 - 2014-04-22 17:26:03 UTC
I dont believe CCP is significantly or overtly affecting PLEX.
Atleast, I hope they are not.
Im ok with re-selling confiscated PLEXs. They "belong" to the community anyways.

However, I would be extremely angry if it turns out CCP has been influencing the PLEX market with non-player PLEX to any significant degree. I wont even entertain the notiont without some really serious condemning evidence.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Dave Stark
#271 - 2014-04-22 17:30:54 UTC
ccp have openly admitted they involve themselves with the plex market when the price changes too rapidly.

however, i think we've been over the point that currently the price of plex isn't yet reaching the point of "too rapidly".
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#272 - 2014-04-22 17:32:15 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I dont believe CCP is significantly or overtly affecting PLEX.
Atleast, I hope they are not.
Im ok with re-selling confiscated PLEXs. They "belong" to the community anyways.

However, I would be extremely angry if it turns out CCP has been influencing the PLEX market with non-player PLEX to any significant degree. I wont even entertain the notiont without some really serious condemning evidence.

ccp justifies plex market intervention to the csm when intervention is necessary. i trust ccp and csm
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#273 - 2014-04-22 17:34:45 UTC
If / when plex gets closer to 1Billion, I may just buy one. Reselling it will give me plenty of nice pew pew ships, without having to make the effort to grind the isk in game.

Grinding/PVE sucks and requires too much effort. I just want steady stream of fitted ships to throw through grinder. $20 bucks every few months to allow for that ain't that bad.

Should I feel bad??? I don't know, but I don't.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#274 - 2014-04-22 17:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
I guess it's time for this one again:

Faucets:
  • NPC bounties: Exploration, Belt rats, Missions
  • NPC buy orders: Trade goods, Sleeper loot, Artefacts, Tags
  • Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
  • Insurance payout
  • GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
  • Character creation

Sinks:
  • Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
  • NPC sell orders: Blueprints, Skill books, Trade goods
  • NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
  • NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
  • Wardecs
  • Reimbursed player bounties.
  • Sovereignty fees
  • PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
  • Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
  • Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
  • CSPA Charges
  • Smuggling fines
  • GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
  • Character deletion (including the “soft sink” of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)


Divine Entervention wrote:
So it has been decided that CCP is indeed manipulating it's PLEX isk price for the sake of increasing their revenue?
No.

Oh, and…
Quote:
Overall, both the money supply and manufacturing are very healthy. The next graph showed inflation, which fluctuates a lot with peaks around expansions. CCP is not worried about inflation, because deflations are occurring at a roughly similar rate. This corresponds well with the money supply graph leveling out.

CPI less PLEX shows that the index is very stable; it's risen some since 2011 but is way down from 2007, meaning that prices are down from historical levels overall.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM8_August_Summit_Minutes.pdf
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#275 - 2014-04-22 17:39:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Sinks:
  • Smuggling fines
    • Straight oh gods concord's coffers have dinosaur skeletons inside
    Salvos Rhoska
    #276 - 2014-04-22 17:41:32 UTC
    Benny Ohu wrote:
    ccp justifies plex market intervention to the csm when intervention is necessary. i trust ccp and csm


    Yes, fair enough.

    PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
    Viserys Anstian
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #277 - 2014-04-22 17:55:35 UTC
    Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
    If / when plex gets closer to 1Billion, I may just buy one. Reselling it will give me plenty of nice pew pew ships, without having to make the effort to grind the isk in game.

    Grinding/PVE sucks and requires too much effort. I just want steady stream of fitted ships to throw through grinder. $20 bucks every few months to allow for that ain't that bad.

    Should I feel bad??? I don't know, but I don't.


    Thats my view.

    My play time is limited, and do I want to spend it shooting at rocks, or moving rocks (missions)?

    Not particularly. I'd rather just spend the time getting the ships and equipment I need to do what I want in the game.

    So, once it goes to 1B Isk/PLEX, means I just need to buy it once every few months vice once a month. Sorry, its about time versus reward. I could spend, 10-20 hours playing the game (which for me is about 2-3 weeks of my gaming time) to get what CCP and the market has valued at $20 worth of ISK. Not getting into specifics, but that is not a lot of my time in real life. I'd rather just buy what I want and play how I want vice grinding at the game for hours.
    Grape Juice
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #278 - 2014-04-22 22:54:43 UTC
    Petrus Blackshell wrote:
    Stuff


    To understand the pricing of PLEX, you must first understand how PLEX came to be:

    In the dark times, there were poor, desperate miners of a certain persuasion, whose dialect didn't show up on most NeoComs of that era. These miners would work day-in, day-out, for angsty, greedy corporate masters, who would turn minerals into ISK. And for the right price, you could benefit from their toil.

    This went on for years, until the mighty CCP Alliance announced, "NO MORE! TOO LONG HAVE YOU SIPHONED OUR LOGINS! TOO LONG HAVE YOU STOLEN OUR PROFITS!"

    And PLEX came into being, where the poor desperate miners were suddenly without job, the greedy corporate masters found other ways to cheat regular people, and the CCP Alliance can curb the isk miner problem AND retain their profits in one fell swoop.

    tl;dr - It's supply and demand, dude. Com'on.
    Hasikan Miallok
    Republic University
    Minmatar Republic
    #279 - 2014-04-22 23:15:01 UTC
    Tippia wrote:
    I guess it's time for this one again:


    Sinks:
    • Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
    • NPC sell orders: Blueprints, Skill books, Trade goods
    • NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
    • NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
    • Wardecs
    • Reimbursed player bounties.
    • Sovereignty fees
    • PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
    • Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
    • Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
    • CSPA Charges
    • Smuggling fines
    • GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
    • Character deletion (including the “soft sink” of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)
    • Missions where player acquires items for agents such as "Preparation for War" and Data-center agents






    Added an item.
    Ranger 1
    Ranger Corp
    Vae. Victis.
    #280 - 2014-04-23 00:14:39 UTC
    Benny Ohu wrote:
    Salvos Rhoska wrote:
    I dont believe CCP is significantly or overtly affecting PLEX.
    Atleast, I hope they are not.
    Im ok with re-selling confiscated PLEXs. They "belong" to the community anyways.

    However, I would be extremely angry if it turns out CCP has been influencing the PLEX market with non-player PLEX to any significant degree. I wont even entertain the notiont without some really serious condemning evidence.

    ccp justifies plex market intervention to the csm when intervention is necessary. i trust ccp and csm

    You know, I'm certain they have stated that they can... and would if necessary... but I don't believe I've ever seen them say that they have actually had to do it.

    I'll readily admit that if they did at some point I might have missed it... but I'd sure like to see the quote if they did.

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