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The real reason PLEX is so expensive

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#161 - 2014-04-22 14:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Please quote where I said that, if thats what you think I said


Are you saying there is not a reduced supply of PLEX?


You said I said it, so please, show me where

Salvos Rhoska wrote:


It was in format and consistent with his own double-negative.


And? So both your points are destroyed then? Cool I can live with a little blue on blue

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Salvos Rhoska
#162 - 2014-04-22 14:04:13 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
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What, in your opinion, is the cause of the current dramatic and unprecedented increase in PLEX price?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#163 - 2014-04-22 14:06:00 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
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What, in your opinion, is the cause of the current dramatic and unprecedented increase in PLEX price?


I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2014-04-22 14:06:26 UTC
a price spike is hardly unprecedented
Salvos Rhoska
#165 - 2014-04-22 14:10:11 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise.


So a 17% rise since December, is not a dramatic or unprecedented rise in your opinion.

Ok,

Post referenced for lols and vindication when PLEX hits 1bil at the end of summer.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#166 - 2014-04-22 14:12:19 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
PLEX prices have increased pretty steadily and are likely to continue to do so.


Thanks for contradicting your own point and faceplanting like a turd from a dog's buttocks.

PLEX price increase recently is nothing if NOT unsteady compared to previous gradient.

You completely destroyed your own point.
I love it how it takes no effort with you, whatsoever.
You self-destruct. Post after post.
Its like a windmill of /facepalms.
Sigh...
Lucas Kell wrote:
It IS increasing "at a slow, gradual and predictable amount". Sure, there are things like fanfest causing the usual annual spike in the same way that real economies don't increase at exactly the same rate every single day of the year, but the overall trend is a steady upwards trend. Seriously, there's graphs for this stuff.


Thanks though for once again ignoring 90% of the post, taking a single line out of context, then attacking that. It further reinforces the truth that you have no clue what you are talking about.

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Salvos Rhoska
#167 - 2014-04-22 14:19:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Lucas Kell wrote:
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Its really funny how you don't get things, even though they are explicitly explained to you as an answer to your OWN questions.

Life must be hard for you.

Show me where there has been a 17% increase in PLEX cost between December and Fanfest in a previous year?
Oh? You can't?
Oh, and don't forget to deduct inflation from your % of previous years, if you can handle the maths.
I'm reminding you of that beforehand to save you the potential embarrassment (or atleast part of it)

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#168 - 2014-04-22 14:22:24 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise.


So a 17% rise since December, is not a dramatic or unprecedented rise in your opinion.

Ok,

Post referenced for lols and vindication when PLEX hits 1bil at the end of summer.


Predicting it may rise higher tbh

And no, I dont feel that is dramatic, nor unprecedented.

Of course if you had some figures or graphs to convince me otherwise, then I could accept your premise.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Salvos Rhoska
#169 - 2014-04-22 14:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Ramona McCandless wrote:

And no, I dont feel that is dramatic, nor unprecedented.

Of course if you had some figures or graphs to convince me otherwise, then I could accept your premise.


Wait a minute.

Are you saying you don't have any figures or graphs to support your argument that it is not dramatic or unprecedented?

OH MAI LAAWWRDY!

I calculated for you a 17% increase since December. ( Do you dispute that?)
So far, you have produced 0 (zero) of anything.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#170 - 2014-04-22 14:29:00 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

And no, I dont feel that is dramatic, nor unprecedented.

Of course if you had some figures or graphs to convince me otherwise, then I could accept your premise.


Wait a minute.

Are you saying you don't have any figures or graphs to support your argument that it is not dramatic or unprecedented?

OH MAI LAAWWRDY!


I dont need to, I dont see an issue; one is not required to provide evidence to prove an absence of concept

Why would I prepare anything to support my feeling (note: FEELING as in sense, as in opinion) that in the five years I have been playing the game the price has slowly risen, and in line with what people can afford.

If you disagree, then you have that perogative, but you need to supply some supporting evidence if you wish to convince others that your reading is correct.

Otherwise, as I ssupect, you are probably simply disagreeing with me and certain others around here because you like to disagree with us and troll us into silly arguments where you have no intention of proving any point at all.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#171 - 2014-04-22 14:31:09 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise.
So a 17% rise since December, is not a dramatic or unprecedented rise in your opinion.

Ok,

Post referenced for lols and vindication when PLEX hits 1bil at the end of summer.
Just FYI, when you look at average prices month on month, there are at least 10 other instances of rises as sharp or sharper than this when looking at the price differences across a 4 month gap, and yet the world continues to turn. And sure, prices may hit 1b at somepoint. The if and when of that really depends on if CCP squeezes in more uses for it, such as more ship skins. But that doesn't mean everyone's quit buying PLEX and eve is dying, it simply means the increased use of PLEX warrants a higher price.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#172 - 2014-04-22 14:36:08 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
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Its really funny how you don't get things, even though they are explicitly explained to you as an answer to your OWN questions.

Life must be hard for you.

Show me where there has been a 17% increase in PLEX cost between December and Fanfest in a previous year?
Oh? You can't?
Oh, and don't forget to deduct inflation from your % of previous years, if you can handle the maths.
I'm reminding you of that beforehand to save you the potential embarrassment (or atleast part of it)
Why don't you try reading peoples responses:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Fanfest is only ONE cause of spikes. Right now, alongside fanfest tickets you have ship skins which convert a lot of plex to aurum, and this is following directly after the "activate an account and get your alts name onto a monument" burst.


But by all means, go look at the graphs. Pull the historic data from eve-market data. Do a bunch of rolling time periods to see what kind of rises existed at various times throughout the history of plex, and you'll see there is nothing abnormal about this trend. It's not my fault that you can't be bothered to look at data, can't be bothered to read what people write and can't even be bothered to rationally think about it and instead choose to just scream and cry about the same things that people cry about a good couple of times a year whenever plex prices move more than a few million.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#173 - 2014-04-22 14:39:33 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Less people are willing or able to pay the game with subscription, they change to using plex.

Really?

Seems to me its going the other way around atm.



If was the other way around the price woudl be Dropping, not increasing. Personal perceptions means nothing, rational tought is how you understand this.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2014-04-22 14:41:10 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise.


So a 17% rise since December, is not a dramatic or unprecedented rise in your opinion.

Ok,

Post referenced for lols and vindication when PLEX hits 1bil at the end of summer.



That is basically the tax rate here where i live. So .. no not so extreme.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Salvos Rhoska
#175 - 2014-04-22 14:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Lucas Kell wrote:
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Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?

And be sure to deduct inflation from that years figures before you submit them, as I already stated once before.

Kagura Nikon wrote:
That is basically the tax rate here where i live. So .. no not so extreme.


Did your tax rate rise 17% in the last 4 months? Or... What is your point?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#176 - 2014-04-22 14:43:55 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Less people are willing or able to pay the game with subscription, they change to using plex.

Really?

Seems to me its going the other way around atm.



If was the other way around the price woudl be Dropping, not increasing. Personal perceptions means nothing, rational tought is how you understand this.


If more people were playing, the demand for market bought plex would be higher, no?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dave Stark
#177 - 2014-04-22 14:48:17 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Oh, and don't forget to deduct inflation from your % of previous years, if you can handle the maths.
I'm reminding you of that beforehand to save you the potential embarrassment (or atleast part of it)


roughly 3 years. march 2011 - april 2014
3 years ago plex was 360m, currently it's about 720m. (got that from eve-markets.net data)
that means it takes 3 years for the price to double. that means plex prices increase by 23% per year.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#178 - 2014-04-22 14:50:19 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?

And be sure to deduct inflation from that years figures before you submit them, as I already stated once before.
What dates are you using and what data source? Using eve-marketdata global month on month averages, there's January 2012. December 2012 there was a hefty increase too. There's earlier one than that too, in fact towards the end of 2010 and 2011 there were substantial increases. It really depends on the data you look at though. If you are looking at the highest price now and comparing that to the lowest price previously, then you are going to get skewed results. I'd need to know how you reached your 17% to run the same for other months consistently.

Since you are clearly so mega smart though, it would take you no time at all to pull and calculate the data yourself and then you could go "oh" and the conversation would be over. You act like we don't have the "plex prices rising! EVE IS DYING!" thread every single year.

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Salvos Rhoska
#179 - 2014-04-22 14:51:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Dave Stark wrote:
roughly 3 years. march 2011 - april 2014
3 years ago plex was 360m, currently it's about 720m. (got that from eve-markets.net data)
that means it takes 3 years for the price to double. that means plex prices increase by 23% per year.


Thank you for proving my point.

23% per year (as an average over 3 years), vs 17% in 4 months in this year.

But you didnt deduct inflation from that.
It is important to do for purposes of determining how much a player can buy with a currency bought PLEX.

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Dave Stark
#180 - 2014-04-22 14:52:44 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
roughly 3 years. march 2011 - april 2014
3 years ago plex was 360m, currently it's about 720m. (got that from eve-markets.net data)
that means it takes 3 years for the price to double. that means plex prices increase by 23% per year.


Thank you for proving my point.

23% per year, vs 17% in 4 months.


except we also know the prices of plex is cyclical so taking the price of plex within a period within that cycle can easily be used to go "omg the sky is falling".