Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The Cruor bonuses are indeed quite odd. You have a statis web range bonus which allows you to web out at 26km with overheated T1 webs (34km with factions), and yet you also have an energy vampire/neut bonus which requires you to be close in. As such I would suggest removing the energy vampire/neut bonus and replacing it with an optimal range bonus. This will allow the Cruor to kite out past 20km with webs still active; quite effective and therefore worthy of it's pirate pricetag.


Currently:

CRUOR

Amarr Frigate Bonus:
15% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer effectiveness

Minmatar Frigate Bonus:
20% bonus to Stasis Webifier range (was 10% bonus to Stasis Webifier effectiveness)

Role Bonus:
100% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage


My suggestion:

CRUOR

Amarr Frigate Bonus:
5% (or 7.5%) bonus to optimal range of turrets

Minmatar Frigate Bonus:
20% bonus to Stasis Webifier range (was 10% bonus to Stasis Webifier effectiveness)

Role Bonus:
100% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage


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I don't think you understand that the Blood Raiders are, first and foremost, capacitor warfare ships.

Everything else is secondary. Getting a long range web will help you close in enough to neut, since the ship isn't very fast anyways.

Frankly, making the Cruor just another Slicer with a web is a bad idea, and very unoriginal. We're trying to avoid making ships have generic bonuses.

PS, for the others: It would be immensely OP for the Cruor to have a neut as far as it can web.
The only people that are suggesting this are probably the ones who have Cruor stockpiles sitting around.

Don't see how that will happen. You'll never get in neut range in a Tristan when he's got you going 10% of max speed at 14+km from him, and his DPS will pop you before yours kills him.

Not that it changes the point on the Cruor.

Maybe it's intended that you don't fit your ship with MWD , LMLs and T2 Shield Extender / MASB ?
Ships is super CRAZY strong, maybe just meta your launchers ? Or use fitting mod if you want all stuff ?

The worm has best fittings from pirate frigs anyway . Please don't be like those guys from Rattle thread , where no amount of buffs will make them happy. Have some mercy on this game. And have mercy for balance. Ships is already broken in opness. Don't push it further.

Look again at your suggestion and look at stats from other ships - dramiel for example ?
Another low slot ? What do you mean that it does have more lows than cruor (supposed to be armor tanked ?) ?

Hilariously, I am actually considering making a double web, rocket, afterburner, armor tanked Worm fit to see how it works out once it hits SiSi.

13km neuts are OVERPOWERED. Don't engage in fights you won't be able to take. The Cruor can still engage kiting ships at very long ranges with scorch and the web. It is still effective. Web to slow down faster ships -> Overheated Scrambler -> Neut. Problem solved.

Couple months old already, but I run shield tanked dominixs for 0.0 havens. You get ~850 dps out of the sentries, no weapons needed, massive agility, VERY cheap to fit (Fully t2, t1 rigs), and they tank the sites just fine, as long as you clear ships fast in the proper order.

I personally do not want to see the gila or rattlesnake loose drone bandwith or capacity. I got them specifically cause it was 1 of the few shield tank drone boats out there.


at the distances lvl 3 and 4 missions are set at, by the time most drones get out there for combat. they will be popped before they ever get back if you need to recall them. hence the use of sentry drones. reducing their capacity or bandwidth would severely penalize the PvE aspect. and yes. we need to actually take pve into account, not just pvp.

the heavy drones that would be able to do sufficient damage are far too slow to be effective in actual use. if you feel that these two ships have fallen by the wayside, then you are not entirely correct. name any other cruiser or BS drone boat that is also a shield tanker.

if you want to change em up a bit, give them improved speed and agility on their drones. so that they can remain effective. changing them to ewar or logi ships just doesn't fill a very big nitch since ships like this already exist.

rattle snake and gila:

tank is sufficient, no need to change caldari cruiser or battleships skills.

you feel the gallente side isn't sufficient anymore. then increase the drones capabilities.


we have missile boats on both the armor tank and shield tank sides.
the same with hybrid charges, projectiles, and lasers. why not keep the drones then?

See, this right here is why I have 0 faith in most people's analysis of the Cruor changes. You haven't flown the damn ship before and it shows when you say something like that. Every video I have ever seen with a Cruor has it trying to orbit something at 0... you're not a Taranis or a Daredevil so STOP DOING THAT. You see, when each side has a 60% web, you are chasing each other around so transversal is extremely low... but 60% vs 90% and you should understand that you WON'T chase each other around. If you'd set it to "keep at range" you would not have this problem...

A very big deal with the Cruor is that it cannot fight tanky opponents. It will neut the enemy out but can't keep that neuting going... and it has very low DPS, so fight take longer. Two of these problems are being solved at least partially by adding 2 drones and giving it the Nos bonus - it will become much more fearsome in that aspect. A-type Nosferatu have 10.2km range, but don't fit 2 because you will cry if you don't have a neut... a single nos is enough to keep enemies perma-drained as well as keep your capacitor up, and Neuts still suck cap about 3x as fast as a Nos, so there really is not much reason to use dual Nos.

However, the part that sickens me the most is that Blood Raider are defined by having durability over the Amarrian equivalents, and yet the Cruor is being stuck with a tiny little tank when it is meant for long, drawn out engagements, and CCP doesn't seem to care too much about that :/ so they nerfed its PG like that would help it when Nos take MORE powergrid to fit than neuts, lol. Considering it couldn't fit the largest stuff without Anci Current Router rig beforehand, I don't know why they did this.

Removed a post for trolling.