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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#21 - 2014-04-22 06:39:06 UTC
Set your clone to Jita 7-2, fill that station up with as many destroyers and maybe some haulers as possible. There will be some fun to be had from friday onwards.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#22 - 2014-04-22 06:44:51 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
Set your clone to Jita 7-2, fill that station up with as many destroyers and maybe some haulers as possible. There will be some fun to be had from friday onwards.


Not empty quoting there, lol.

Can't wait.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Solecist Project
#23 - 2014-04-22 07:30:23 UTC
Don't waste your ISK for playtime.
Everybody is such a cheapass nowadays.

It will make you dependent on ISK and backfire in the long run.
Besides, you might turn into one of these idiots who play the game
although they don't actually want to.


I'd rather buy 60 day GTCs for 1.4 billion than waste a single minute
working for ISK, no matter what kind of work it is.
And they are cheap, like only 5 bucks more than a PLEX from CCP!
For double the value!!

And now.... coffee time.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#24 - 2014-04-22 10:59:21 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Most new players decide they want a "Battleship" before they even create the character and stick to that even when they discover its a long train for a ship with very limited use in game. You have done well discovering for yourself battleships are something you can do later when you really need one.

Well, the game kinda pushes you into battleships too, it's the path of least resistance, missioning takes you there, skill requirements take you there. At the end of my first month, I could go from flying T1 cruisers to flying T1 battlecruisers and battleships in just a few days of training, whereas pretty much everything else was locked behind rank V skills and weeks of training, whether I wanted access to advanced skills (Drone Interfacing etc, Thermodynamics...), being able to use T2 modules, or fly T2 frigates or cruisers for progression. I didn't go the battleship route mind you, still can't fly anything bigger than a cruiser, but I can see how people end up there.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-04-22 11:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Hey OP, I'm in the same situation as you.

I don't know what to say either.

In regards to your FW statements, that's kind of like the entirety of the game. People say "go pew pew, die! Enjoy dying!" Except it seems that the only people who are ever suppose to die are the new people. The new people who are having the hardest time getting any isk to support their "go die"ing.

Fit out a T1 frigate with T1 modules, and you're already behind, because at the PLEX, whoever you run into is going to have T2 modules, better skills, and better ammo. Not only that, but he might even have a friend. You get jumped, so you "go die" and get smoked. You don't dent his tank, and the only thing you learn is "well apparently I'm not suppose to ever win. Also that was a good deal of ISK I just lost, I can't really afford to keep dying for the sake of dying, so I might as well try to avoid it for a bit". He on the other hand though, well if you try to jump them, they just run. They run until they get help.

It just seems a bit skewed, because actions in game show that the only people who are suppose to enjoy dying are new players, because veterans appear to go to great lengths to avoid it.

*Snip* Removed ranting part of the post. ISD Ezwal.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#26 - 2014-04-22 11:42:06 UTC
We say things like "go die" because that's how you get experience fighting. I don't care how many skillpoints someone has if they don't know what to do, how to do it, and how to handle being shot at by another player.

Telling them to go out and get fights, even if they aren't likely to win every time, is how you set them on the road to being a good player.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#27 - 2014-04-22 11:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
We say things like "go die" because that's how you get experience fighting. I don't care how many skillpoints someone has if they don't know what to do, how to do it, and how to handle being shot at by another player.

Telling them to go out and get fights, even if they aren't likely to win every time, is how you set them on the road to being a good player.


Exactly.


*Snip* Removed off topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2014-04-22 11:44:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
We say things like "go die" because that's how you get experience fighting. I don't care how many skillpoints someone has if they don't know what to do, how to do it, and how to handle being shot at by another player.

Telling them to go out and get fights, even if they aren't likely to win every time, is how you set them on the road to being a good player.


Exactly.


*Snip* Removed off topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.


*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

It's also about seeing if someone can handle losing gracefully and get back on the horse.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-04-22 11:55:10 UTC
But at the same time, considering it's natural for someone to want to minimize losses considering everything takes time to obtain, after "graceful losses", the justification to continue throwing isk away dwindles.

It's a totally biased point of view to not consider it from the new person's point of view, 1 T1 meta 4 frigate costing 8million isk, 8 million isk taking about 4 hours to get. 4 hours of generating isk for 10 minutes of a near guaranteed loss that teaches "well I can't kill that ship yet".

It's perfectly understandable that a new player would want to get himself in a position where he's financially capable of generating isk at a faster than 2million per hour rate, so more opportunities to go experience that "10 minutes of glory" gets to happen more frequently.

Which takes time.
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#30 - 2014-04-22 12:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
The only 'problem' I see in this thread is new players who think they are entitled to play the game for free.

I think the OP should just quit and go play F2P cash-grab games if he is so worried about 15$.

my .02 plex


edit:

Divine Entervention wrote:
1 T1 meta 4 frigate costing 8million isk, 8 million isk taking about 4 hours to get. 4 hours of generating isk for 10 minutes of a near guaranteed loss that teaches "well I can't kill that ship yet".


What the hell? I was at 5mil SP, about 3 months into the game, and I was making well over 50mil/hr solo in L4s with an abaddon.

How you only make 2 million per hour is beyond me........ *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Solecist Project
#31 - 2014-04-22 12:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Divine Entervention wrote:
But at the same time, considering it's natural for someone to want to minimize losses considering everything takes time to obtain, after "graceful losses", the justification to continue throwing isk away dwindles.

It's a totally biased point of view to not consider it from the new person's point of view, 1 T1 meta 4 frigate costing 8million isk, 8 million isk taking about 4 hours to get. 4 hours of generating isk for 10 minutes of a near guaranteed loss that teaches "well I can't kill that ship yet".

It's perfectly understandable that a new player would want to get himself in a position where he's financially capable of generating isk at a faster than 2million per hour rate, so more opportunities to go experience that "10 minutes of glory" gets to happen more frequently.

Which takes time.

And again.
Meta4 is overly expensive.
Meta3 is almost as good.

Considering a noobs perspective, while limiting it to such a narrow viewpoint
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

A properly fitted rifter costs you a million ISK, maybe 1.5 Million ISK.

No noob needs a meta4 fitting. No one. Null. Keiner.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Reiisha
#32 - 2014-04-22 12:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Reiisha
Faux Sho wrote:
The Eve and I'm not sure what to think. There is something strangely addictive and enjoyable with this game, but I'm not sure what that is.

I realized I hated mining within the first week or playing. Realized I hated Missions by the time I hit lvl 3's, but kept on running them for ISK and to get to those lvl 4 missions. Got to the lvl 4 missions, bought a BS, second mission I had the npc's blow it up. If I had sold the BS, I just would have bought another one thinking it would make it better. So I decided to lose the ISK so I cannot afford a new one for a while.

Find a little enjoyment in low sec ratting. Not much ISK making there though, but fun in an arbitrator.

Can't stand the whole Fleet/blob stuff. Did enough blobbing in GW2 WvW. Left that scene pretty fast after joining BNI. BNI is great, just the large fleet stuff was not for me.

Enjoyed FW to a point. Scanning down plexes and seeing a ship on scan; so I go to it. Warp in and the enemy warps out or stealth, and if it's a teammate they yell at you for coming into their space. Finding a fight where I am not outnumbered...

So I am playing a fun, kind of addictive game, for $15/month. To get the ISK to fund my fun, I must drop some more irl money on a plex for a game that may not be worth the $15/ month to play.

I read many posts about plexing accounts (my god the amount of alts) and continue to wonder how I can do that while being fairly new. Because I like the game and would put in the time to play the game without the wife agro and real $$ spent, but I just cannot find that spot that allows me to have fun and profit at the same time.

I know...

Have yo stuffz

HTFU...

Tears...


ANyhow, I decided to go back to basics and train small guns and frigates to max instead of shooting for lvl 4's. I believe that I can have a ton of fun in a frigate, make some ISK to fund my fun. If I find it fun, I will gladly pay the irl $$$ for the fun, extra could go to a plex here and there. Pretty sure I have been doing it wrong from the begining.

Not a complaining thread, or a quitting thread even. Just my thoughts/circle on a great game that may or may not be worth the $15/month.


You seem to be solo'ing or at least running in a very inactive corp...

That's a playstyle that isn't for everyone. I would bet that if you join a larger, more active corp you'd be having a lot more fun. It just seems that you're missing some company :)

Edit: Just to clarify, there's a lot of corps that don't require big blob fleetfights or FW ;)

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
flakeys
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-04-22 12:08:51 UTC
Faux Sho wrote:
The Eve and I'm not sure what to think. There is something strangely addictive and enjoyable with this game, but I'm not sure what that is.

I realized I hated mining within the first week or playing. Realized I hated Missions by the time I hit lvl 3's, but kept on running them for ISK and to get to those lvl 4 missions. Got to the lvl 4 missions, bought a BS, second mission I had the npc's blow it up. If I had sold the BS, I just would have bought another one thinking it would make it better. So I decided to lose the ISK so I cannot afford a new one for a while.

Find a little enjoyment in low sec ratting. Not much ISK making there though, but fun in an arbitrator.

Can't stand the whole Fleet/blob stuff. Did enough blobbing in GW2 WvW. Left that scene pretty fast after joining BNI. BNI is great, just the large fleet stuff was not for me.

Enjoyed FW to a point. Scanning down plexes and seeing a ship on scan; so I go to it. Warp in and the enemy warps out or stealth, and if it's a teammate they yell at you for coming into their space. Finding a fight where I am not outnumbered...

So I am playing a fun, kind of addictive game, for $15/month. To get the ISK to fund my fun, I must drop some more irl money on a plex for a game that may not be worth the $15/ month to play.

I read many posts about plexing accounts (my god the amount of alts) and continue to wonder how I can do that while being fairly new. Because I like the game and would put in the time to play the game without the wife agro and real $$ spent, but I just cannot find that spot that allows me to have fun and profit at the same time.

I know...

Have yo stuffz

HTFU...

Tears...


ANyhow, I decided to go back to basics and train small guns and frigates to max instead of shooting for lvl 4's. I believe that I can have a ton of fun in a frigate, make some ISK to fund my fun. If I find it fun, I will gladly pay the irl $$$ for the fun, extra could go to a plex here and there. Pretty sure I have been doing it wrong from the begining.

Not a complaining thread, or a quitting thread even. Just my thoughts/circle on a great game that may or may not be worth the $15/month.



Well you stated you did FW , however also stated your going to train the frigs/guns more.Might i suggest a retry at FW?

I've been in FW for a few months now and mostly solo.Some days it's utter crap as you stated people warp off , or they cloak up , or blues whining about their lp when you just come into the plex to look for a red to fight -btw just kill them when they do this it's so much fun - BUT there are days when you get one fight after the other and it's a lot of fun.

Frigs are cheap , fast and a 1vs1 with frigs can be as enjoyable as a 1vs1 in bc's . I've seen allmost every aspect of the game over the last ten years but from my own experience if you're looking for 'fast fights' then FW is the place to be.And for your iskmaking you can use FW space perfectly too .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-04-22 12:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
The only 'problem' I see in this thread is new players who think they are entitled to play the game for free.

I think the OP should just quit and go play F2P cash-grab games if he is so worried about 15$.

my .02 plex


edit:

Divine Entervention wrote:
1 T1 meta 4 frigate costing 8million isk, 8 million isk taking about 4 hours to get. 4 hours of generating isk for 10 minutes of a near guaranteed loss that teaches "well I can't kill that ship yet".


What the hell? I was at 5mil SP, about 3 months into the game, and I was making well over 50mil/hr solo in L4s with an abaddon.

How you only make 2 million per hour is beyond me........ *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal..



5 mil SP in 3 months suggests some heavy implants. A full set of +2 implants costs a new player 20 mil isk, which you start getting into +4's and a legitimate new player isn't going to be buying them.

Also, considering that us new players are told to go die constantly, buying implants on top of fully fitted meta 4 T1 frigates means it would take about 14 hours of farming.
Asia Leigh
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#35 - 2014-04-22 12:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Divine Entervention wrote:
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
The only 'problem' I see in this thread is new players who think they are entitled to play the game for free.

I think the OP should just quit and go play F2P cash-grab games if he is so worried about 15$.

my .02 plex


edit:

Divine Entervention wrote:
1 T1 meta 4 frigate costing 8million isk, 8 million isk taking about 4 hours to get. 4 hours of generating isk for 10 minutes of a near guaranteed loss that teaches "well I can't kill that ship yet".


What the hell? I was at 5mil SP, about 3 months into the game, and I was making well over 50mil/hr solo in L4s with an abaddon.

How you only make 2 million per hour is beyond me........ *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.



5 mil SP in 3 months suggests some heavy implants. A full set of +2 implants costs a new player costs 20 mil isk, which you start getting into +4's and a legitimate new player isn't going to be buying them.

Also, considering that us new players are told to go die constantly, buying implants on top of fully fitted meta 4 T1 frigates means it would take about 14 hours of farming.




Why the hell would you be buying meta 4 items on a PVP fit for? If you can't fit T2 items, go with meta 3 items. Meta 3 gear is almost as good as meta 4 stuff, but at more then half the price. You can fit a rifter for under 2 mil isk including the hull.
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#36 - 2014-04-22 12:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Divine Entervention wrote:
5 mil SP in 3 months suggests some heavy implants. A full set of +2 implants costs a new player 20 mil isk, which you start getting into +4's and a legitimate new player isn't going to be buying them.

Also, considering that us new players are told to go die constantly, buying implants on top of fully fitted meta 4 T1 frigates means it would take about 14 hours of farming.


Pretty sure I lost a full set of +3s first time I got podded, actually, and 2 of them were from the genolution set. I mined in a Venture whilst semi AFK in those days. Also, like others mentioned, having friends is nice. I tagged along on some L4s in a Harbinger for a while to rack up some loot while training gunnery skills.

And I'm not entirley sure how much SP I had, something around 5mil. All I am saying is, making isk is easy-peasy once you can grind L4s (if that is something you want to do) But I did make an FW alt that could easily rake in 45,000 LP in an hour, and that alt has about 600,000k SP.

What I am getting at, is that earning play money is ridiculously easy, even for a new account. I suspect the REAL reason for these types of threads is that the new players want to plex their accounts, not fund 'for the lulz' PvP, and for that, I don't think they are the right kind of person to play EvE.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Solecist Project
#37 - 2014-04-22 12:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
5 mil SP in 3 months suggests some heavy implants. A full set of +2 implants costs a new player 20 mil isk, which you start getting into +4's and a legitimate new player isn't going to be buying them.

Also, considering that us new players are told to go die constantly, buying implants on top of fully fitted meta 4 T1 frigates means it would take about 14 hours of farming.


Pretty sure I lost a full set of +3s first time I got podded, actually, and 2 of them were from the genolution set. I mined in a Venture whilst semi AFK in those days. Also, like others mentioned, having friends is nice. I tagged along on some L4s in a Harbinger for a while to rack up some loot while training gunnery skills.

And I'm not entirley sure how much SP I had, something around 5mil. All I am saying is, making isk is easy-peasy once you can grind L4s (if that is something you want to do) But I did make an FW alt that could easily rake in 45,000 LP in an hour, and that alt has about 600,000k SP.

What I am getting at, is that earning play money is ridiculously easy, even for a new account. I suspect the REAL reason for these types of threads is that the new players want to plex their accounts, not fund 'for the lulz' PvP, and for that, I don't think they are the right kind of person to play EvE.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

No.

Nobody should want to grind lvl4s.

It's a waste of time, fun and ISK going there.

That's a stupid approach. People should play the game from the start and make ISK,
instead of running missions only as income stream.

Missions should be either abandoned or made harder so noobs stop aiming for them.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#38 - 2014-04-22 12:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Wulfgar WarHammer
Solecist Project wrote:
No.

Nobody should want to grind lvl4s.

It's a waste of time, fun and ISK going there.

That's a stupid approach. People should play the game from the start and make ISK,
instead of running missions only as income stream.

Missions should be either abandoned or made harder so noobs stop aiming for them.


... And that is your opinion.

I happen to actually enjoy them. Am I not playing in the sandbox right? I watch TV shows with my better half while I blitz through World's Collide and Mining Misapropriation and Recon and Enemies Abound.

I make a billion in a few days for hardly any effort, and that brings me joy. If you don't like it, whatever. I don't go bash the way you play, why do you feel the need to do that to me?


E: and just FYI, 'running missions only as income stream.' couldn't be any further from the truth. I live in a C4, I have 5 PI planets, have R&D agents on the go, do data/relic/hacking sites, etc...

Missions I can run almost with my eyes closed, and they give A TON of money. and unlike most of the community, I don't see them as a 'grind'.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#39 - 2014-04-22 12:35:06 UTC
Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:


... And that is your opinion.

I happen to actually enjoy them. Am I not playing in the sandbox right? I watch TV shows with my better half while I blitz through World's Collide and Mining Misapropriation and Recon and Enemies Abound.

I make a billion in a few days for hardly any effort, and that brings me joy. If you don't like it, whatever. I don't go bash the way you play, why do you feel the need to do that to me?


I think the point that is being made is that before you get to your level of play, there is (for people not as smart or fortunate as you) a problem that grinding to get there sucks ass badly

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#40 - 2014-04-22 12:36:36 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I think the point that is being made is that before you get to your level of play, there is (for people not as smart or fortunate as you) a problem that grinding to get there sucks ass badly


I may have missed the point, in reality, I am not smart at all ;)
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