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The real reason PLEX is so expensive

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2014-04-22 04:01:27 UTC
CCP should want players to be able to afford PLEX. A single month of subscription is $15 (less in bulk). A PLEX is $20.

I'm not saying they should intervene, but it's probably in their best interest than new players can PLEX consistently after a few months.
Bata Kylarro
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2014-04-22 04:23:19 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
When looking for the source of a problem

This implies a problem exists. This is false. No one is under any obligation to provide you with cheap/easy game time.

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+ 1
ofc

( obvs op thinking dev. crews + overhead all paid in isk iso rl money: in that case a real problem would exist.....Big smile)

(or maybe op thinking ccp = some virtual company only, with virtual staff & dev.crews? dunno what op's rl perception)

anyway, from time to time i like getting some plex for smoothly getting some ships i like from the market, so, let isk rise somewhat more imo
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2014-04-22 04:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Rex Steal wrote:
What will happen if its not happening now is that the solo player will disappear or be forced too buy plex to get anywhere in Eve.


It would be pretty easy on one account with the free alts setup for passive income to buy 2 maybe 3 PLEX a month , even at a billion.

if for some ideological "game purity" reason you refuse to use the free alts and insist on only running one toon it should still be relatively simple to PLEX providing the cost stays under 1.5 to 2 billion a PLEX.

The only people that would struggle with this would be:
a) brand new accounts
b) people with limited time available to login and
c) the odd person or two that PvP ganks for tears not profit.

In ALL of those cases you have to ask why on earth the player is even considering plexing.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#124 - 2014-04-22 07:55:22 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
CCP should want players to be able to afford PLEX. A single month of subscription is $15 (less in bulk). A PLEX is $20.

I'm not saying they should intervene, but it's probably in their best interest than new players can PLEX consistently after a few months.


Essentially what you're asking CCP to do is lower their subscription prices. The price difference is to allow room for resellers to actually make some margin when they sell GTCs. It's not good business to undercut your resellers.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#125 - 2014-04-22 08:02:16 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
CCP should want players to be able to afford PLEX. A single month of subscription is $15 (less in bulk). A PLEX is $20.

I'm not saying they should intervene, but it's probably in their best interest than new players can PLEX consistently after a few months.


To PLEX consistantly would require a level of effort which for many people stops the game being about doing stuff they enjoy to doing stuff they feel they have to do.

If I can pay for my account, I will.

PLEX can be useful, but its for suckers mainly

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project
#126 - 2014-04-22 08:15:04 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jur Tissant wrote:
CCP should want players to be able to afford PLEX. A single month of subscription is $15 (less in bulk). A PLEX is $20.

I'm not saying they should intervene, but it's probably in their best interest than new players can PLEX consistently after a few months.


To PLEX consistantly would require a level of effort which for many people stops the game being about doing stuff they enjoy to doing stuff they feel they have to do.

If I can pay for my account, I will.

PLEX can be useful, but its for suckers mainly

I agree.

And then they whine about a game they don't even want to play
but they stay subbed because it's free and believe they are entitled to have an opinion.

And buying PLEX from CCP isn't even worth it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
flakeys
Doomheim
#127 - 2014-04-22 08:23:16 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
You do know that a PLEX costs more than a monthly subscription to buy right? And PLEX don't appear out of nowhere, someone paid real money for it to put it on the market.

And hi plex prices do benefit someone besides CCP: People who sell PLEX for ISK to those daft enough to use PLEX to pay their subscriptionBig smile



Your assuming everyone 'grinds' for isk ... in wich case the daft is on you Lol .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#128 - 2014-04-22 08:27:31 UTC
flakeys wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
You do know that a PLEX costs more than a monthly subscription to buy right? And PLEX don't appear out of nowhere, someone paid real money for it to put it on the market.

And hi plex prices do benefit someone besides CCP: People who sell PLEX for ISK to those daft enough to use PLEX to pay their subscriptionBig smile



Your assuming everyone 'grinds' for isk ... in wich case the daft is on you Lol .


No they werent. Nothing in what you have quoted supports your supposition

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#129 - 2014-04-22 08:39:01 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Soshala Garemoko wrote:
do u think honesly the PLEAX prices are magic and that it comes from no where? poeple buy PLEX and sell it into the game so they pay more to CCCP for the PLEX than they do to subscribe. why does this make since to you that they would do this to make moere money?


1) If CCP wants to magically make a hundred PLEX poof into existence then yes, they can do exactly that.

2) Computers, how do they work? Must be witchcraft!

3) The word for the day is "school." Look it up, sometime.


Whilst they can, they don't.

Those PLEX are confiscated from RMTers and other EULA violaters.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Garia666
CyberShield Inc
HYDRA RELOADED
#130 - 2014-04-22 09:14:51 UTC
its just normal inflationa nd question and demand.

back in 2007 you payed 450 mill for 100 day which slowly went up for 480 mill a 90 day GTC

2008 had an all time low paying 345 mill for 90 day GTC ( around april ) but slowly went up to 650 mill for 60 day at the end of 2008 .

( no more 90 day gtc`s )

2009 started with the 650 mill but then peaked to 800 mill around june and dropped to 550 mill at the end of that year.

2010 started at 650 / 700 mill and kept steady for over the year at 760 mill

2011 started at 800 mill then dropped over to an steady 750 to reach 850 at the end of the year.

2012 at june the GTC`s where 1,2 bill and where pretty steady over the year.

2013 is a steady 1,2 to 1,25 bill

2014 prices get a 200 mil encrease to around 1,4 bill so far.




flakeys
Doomheim
#131 - 2014-04-22 09:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Ramona McCandless wrote:
flakeys wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
You do know that a PLEX costs more than a monthly subscription to buy right? And PLEX don't appear out of nowhere, someone paid real money for it to put it on the market.

And hi plex prices do benefit someone besides CCP: People who sell PLEX for ISK to those daft enough to use PLEX to pay their subscriptionBig smile



Your assuming everyone 'grinds' for isk ... in wich case the daft is on you Lol .


No they werent. Nothing in what you have quoted supports your supposition



So then enlighten me , HE NOT THEY , says anyone who uses plex to pay for a subscription instead of paying rl cash is daft to do so. Daft is an Old English-derived word for silly, stupid, or mad, depending on context.

Now tell me what YOU think he meant by saying : to those daft enough to use PLEX to pay their subscription . It must have been something else because there are numerous people out there who make isk faster then they would make rl cash to pay for their sub and as such would be 'daft' to pay rl cash for their subs .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#132 - 2014-04-22 09:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
flakeys wrote:

So then enlighten me , HE NOT THEY , says anyone who uses plex to pay for a subscription instead of paying rl cash is daft to do so. Daft is an Old English-derived word for silly, stupid, or mad, depending on context.
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Im aware of this

Can you point out where they mention grinding?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2014-04-22 10:12:52 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
When looking for the source of a problem, you need to look at the intersection of who profits from the problem and who can enable the problem to occur.

Do regular subscribers benefit from high PLEX prices? No.
Do subscribers with PLEX benefit from higher PLEX prices? Hell no.
Do people who buy PLEX to fund their activities benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes, but how are they going to drive PLEX prices up?

Does CCP benefit from higher PLEX prices? Yes. They noticed more people not using subs, and a drop in income because people don't want to pay for all this feature-less "development" (lol "expansions") and they are using their own methods to force us into paying them more money. It's a cash grab, pure and simple.

Are you buying into it?



Let me teach you REAL economy. Less people are willing or able to pay the game with subscription, they change to using plex. Plex demands rise, plex price follows.

The consumption of plex on flavor things is probably minimal if compared to the number of people that use them to pay their accounts.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#134 - 2014-04-22 10:16:54 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Less people are willing or able to pay the game with subscription, they change to using plex.

Really?

Seems to me its going the other way around atm.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2014-04-22 10:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Snagletooth Johnson
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Salvos Rhoska
#136 - 2014-04-22 11:05:43 UTC
Though we can disagree on specific explanations of the price rise, it is nonetheless clear that "something" has changed.
That much is clear.

I love the PLEX system. I think its an ingenius system, and one of this games (among many) major contributions to MMO design.
Every game should be so lucky as to have had such a stable system of subbing. Its brilliant, really, and its remarkable PLEX has remained as stable (considering inflation and other indirect factors) for as long as it has.

I nonetheless find the change in price worrisome, and potentially as symptomatic of an imbalance in the community.
Know what I mean?
Its the kind of thing, that if EVE was a biological entity, you would start running diagnostic tests to determine what is causing such a pronounced change in the organism's homeostasis.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#137 - 2014-04-22 11:35:16 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
it is nonetheless clear that "something" has changed.
That much is clear.

Nope

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Salvos Rhoska
#138 - 2014-04-22 11:46:15 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
it is nonetheless clear that "something" has changed.
That much is clear.

Nope


The denial is strong in this one.

Its Ramona's Nope Day.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#139 - 2014-04-22 11:47:43 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
it is nonetheless clear that "something" has changed.
That much is clear.

Nope


The denial is strong in this one.

Its Ramona's Nope Day.


Inflation, bro. Nothing "changed", it's the same thing it always has been.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska
#140 - 2014-04-22 12:18:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
it is nonetheless clear that "something" has changed.
That much is clear.

Nope


The denial is strong in this one.

Its Ramona's Nope Day.


Inflation, bro. Nothing "changed", it's the same thing it always has been.



Inflation is predictable. And inflation has an objective cause.

Recent hikesare not attributable to inflation in their entirety.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent