Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm on a mobile, my reply will be short.

No.

I'll elaborate later.

Current penalties for suicide ganking...

Direct Penalties:
- you lose your ship
- you lose any insurance you have the ship
- you lose Security Status
- you gain a Suspect Flag for 10-15 minutes and can be shot at by anyone and everyone in the game without penalty
- you gain a Criminal Flag for 15 minutes (see: can't undock in high-sec in anything other than a pod without being CONCORDed again)


Indirect Penalties:
- if your Security Status goes low enough (see: below -5.0) then you can be shot by anyone, anywhere, at any time.
- if your Security Status goes below certain levels then you will find yourself less and less able to enter higher security systems without the Faction Police attacking you (you can still avoid them in smaller ships though).
- with lower Security Status you will be less and less able to get new supplies from high-sec trade hubs and/or must buy from low-sec stations at a premium and/or must rely on friends/alts to resupply you.
- if you want to raise your Security Status you must either kill pirate NPCs for a godawful amount of time or spend a fair bit of cash to buy the security tags needed.


Other Risks:
- you botch the gank attempt and eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- the target may be tanked more than you think... resulting in a failed gank attempt where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- the target never shows and you have wasted time.
- the loot that you are ganking for never drops... resulting in a failed gank where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- the gank is successful, the loot you want drops, but someone else picked it up before your friend/alt did... resulting in a failed gank where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- you don't have enough people to properly suicide gank.


tl;dr...
- professional gankers (who are usually -10 already) won't care about this change and will continue on as usual.
- "casual" players who want to try it once or twice just to see what it is will be discouraged from ever trying it (thus limiting their perspective in the game).
- if a newbie makes a mistake (as they often do) they will be suck in a position they won't know how to crawl out of (see: they have no "support network" that the vets have, probably not enough money to buy Security Status Tags, and little understanding about how to survive in low-sec).

OP, why do you read EN24? Do you want tinfoil? Because that's how you get tinfoil.

Additionally, no. There is nothing broken about suicide ganking, and if it's nerfed in any way then highsec will be proportionally nerfed as well, since CCP sees suicide ganking as one of the mechanics that keeps highsec balanced.

Also, posting in "someone ganked my freighter" thread.

The above listed consequences, both actual and suggested, mean absolutely nothing. There is no tangible penalty aside from a stupidity factor. Anyone who wishes to pirate and gank will not give a rat's ass, and only serves to compell the attempt, given the increased challenge.

You can simply avoid getting ganked by paying attention, and not afk ratting, bottling, or just have a RR alt with you. But if someone wants you dead bad enough in eve, you'll die

Suicide ganking is working as intended.


Move along.

You do not fix what isnt broken.

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I think you don't know the difference between 95% and 50%.

Without suicide gankers, there wouldn't be the necessary risk factor in hi-sec, and the risk/reward balance of hauling would be broken. 100% Safe, AFK hauling, sometimes in max cargo t1 industrial ships would not be a good thing.

While you probably think the penalties should be harsher, and I most certainly think the penalties should be lighter, there is inherently more damage to be done by making them too severe. When it becomes too much work/hassle/effort to just to gank, you'd end up giving too much power to the AFK menace, and you'd severely devalue the time of people doing it right, i.e. destroying a profession due to your own sloth. If you made them lighter, than you would lower the bar for 'enforcement' or 'natural selection' and end up improving the value associated with proper hauling.

People that want something in exchange for nothing in this game....ugh.

Or, a medal.